and bernie carrick was part of that group along with rudy giuliani. there were connections with roger stone, with the people who attacked the capitol, the proud boys and oath keepers. and i wonder if jack smith doesn't want to close the loop there and see if there can be some connection drawn between mark meadows, donald trump, and what happened at the capitol on january 6th. we recall that cassidy hutchinson said mark meadows was going to go to the willard hotel on the night of january 5th and she talked him out of it. instead he participated in the meeting by conference call. instead if bernie carrick could shed some light there that could be interesting to jack smith. >> it sounds like beyond the proofreading and this election of words and the nomenclature of all of this, it sounds like there's still some material that needs to be checked, some substantive material, whether it's bernie carrick's notes or the reporting we have from nbc news that at least two more fake electors have been subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury in early august. i'

what do you make of bernie carrick of the end stage witness? >> so, i think if this was i suspect there is much in there that's not all that helpful to jack smith and prosecutors. i believe this is something that they collected up in their determination to show the election was stolen. there were all these fraudulently cast ballots. they're going to turn that over to jack smith. the reason -- i think if they're not going to the mat and fighting tooth and nail to keep from turning it over, to jack smith, it's my suspicion that it's probably, there's a lot of fluff in there and none of it is likely to be all that damaging. i would be interesting to get him to divulge all of this information. >> when carrick is interesting, he's done time before. he ended up at the willard and the command center, for january 6th. any idea what part of the investigation he feeds? any insight into timing of his interview or of jack smith's broader investigation? >> what's interesting -- >> i'm sorry. let me bring in glenn thrush. i'm sorry, glenn kirshner. two glenn

and of course, no voter fraud you fount this was reviewed by the trump campaigned b mu e-- but bernie carrick sai that he was part of the legal team, and now, flashing forward a year, and special counsel jack smith reached ded ut -- out tog the documents to the trump campaign to not start any privilege here, and that allowed them to hand over thousands of document, and again, none of these were and rudy giuliani went together to look for the alleged fraud, and these included the witness statements and research, and many people are waiting and watching for the likely trump indictment, the special counsel is continuing with the indictment. they are conductsing bift -- conducting interviews, and what is the legal extent here? >> they are looking to the people who had reason to believe. and the anything nif can't thing is if and they are giving mixed messages from different advisers inside and outside of the building, and did they find fraud, and did they have a gfrnlgts and then not when they got to the core of the document and that sxwrurnlgt and the privilege claim was in question, because ber

. >> so bernie carrick, and rudy giuliani don't breathe a sigh of relief just yet. their work is not over. andrew wiseman, danya perry, so great to have both of you. >>> the latest effort of ron desantis in florida to whitewash the teaching of slavery, plus maga republicans let wild conspiracy theories take center stage on capitol hill today with some help from a democrat. that is next. >> the republican hearings that have unfolded over the last few days and throughout this entire congress are a malignant clown show. malignant clown show to help prevent bleeding gums. try saying 'hello gumwash' with parodontax active gum health. it kills 99% plaque bacteria. and forms an antibacterial shield. try parodontax active gum health mouthwash. >>> is that a good thing for the republican party if donald trump is -- >> the question is he the strongest in an election? i don't know that answer. >> that was speaker kevin mccarthy in an interview with cnbc last month questioning in the gentlest possible terms whether or not donald trump is the strongest possible candidate for the

so bernie carrick who was working with rudy giuliani, he has been scheduling.y're asking for documents from him. and then the special counsel's office wants to interview a former trump lawyer, as well, next month. and so how that factors into what this case is against donald trump, is it the same case, is it related but different case, are there multiple parts of this investigation that will come at us in waves? we're just going to have to wait and see. >> easy and -- easy to say that this is going to be a primary process unlike any we've ever seen. >> true. >> thank you so much. brianna? >>> earlier this week, vladimir putin let that deal lapse that allowed ukraine to safely export grain through the black sea. and in the days since, his forces have relentlessly targeted odesa, the port city that is vital to that shipping corridor. some 70 missiles have been fired at the region, destroying more than 60,000 tons of grain stars and threat noting the global food supply, as well. that's not the only troubling development this week. russia may be getting military ai

than a legal move on giuliani's part, but we heard that same quick to defend executions from bernie carrick's lawyers the he turned over thousand of pages to special counsel jack smith. >> yes. so, look, rudy giuliani has been lying for donald since the day that he became involved with him. you may recall with the infamous tape between myself and donald trump, rudy giuliani came on television, and he started talking about who made the statement about paying in cash. it was donald, but he said it was me. then he goes on to say as a prosecutor, as a guy who ran the southern district of new york, i've done thousands of these transcriptions, and i listened to it. rudy is a liar, plain and simple. and you know what? it's a shame, because he starts to see all of the names of the lawyers. that's what maga is -- make attorneys get attorneys. plain and simple. >> michael, giuliani's a little long in the teeth. he's definitely not a spring chicken. you said previously you think he would turn on trump, he would, quote, rat him out, to be precise. do you think there's some level of cooperation that's goi

and some of the evidence we got -- bernie carrick, they're talking about him in the news today, but his testimony to the committee was, they didn't find any fraud, so that's not new. >> your committee made four criminal referrals to the doj. it included obstruction of an official proceeding of congress, conspiracy to defraud the united states, conspiracy to make a false statement, and inciting an insurrection. i spoke to congressman jamie raskin this weekend about how important it was for the doj to prosecute that last one, the insurrection offense. we haven't heard that's in the any of the target letters or the target letter to trump. raskin made theage cyst it may not be possible to achieve the prosecution's burden of proof. but do you believe the incitement should be a charge that somebody like jack smith should pursue? >> only if he thinks he has evidence that can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. clearly that's what then-president trump did. but whether it can be proven with the evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, that's a judgment he needs to make. clearly he had a multifaceted

able to get their hands on the thousands of pages of documents that were in the possession of bernie carrick. he was working alongside rudy giuliani in this whole period where they were trying to find alleged fraud. and this is been withheld, this special counsel -- the january 6 investigation on capitol hill had sought this. but he had never turned these over claiming that they were privileged. well now, as a result of some litigation from a couple of election workers in georgia, these documents are now in the hands of the investigators and again they only got it on sunday. it tells us that there is so much more work that they're doing behind the scenes, even, bianna, if he expect that the grand jury is going to be sitting tomorrow, perhaps here in washington. they tend to sit on tuesday and thursdays. and an indictment could come any day. it appears certainly a lot of work still left to be done by this investigate team. >> and more information by the day. great reporting. thank you. >>> like to bring in my panel. alyssa farrah griffin and tom dupree and bakari sellers. so i'm curious to ge

delay it and perhaps the grand jury has new evidence or all these documents the doj has from bernie carrick who worked with giuliani to overturn these elections. i'm thinking today is the day. and those comments look like a guy who may have flipped, and that's got to be donald trump's worst nightmare because his chief of staff, mark meadows was in the room when it happened. when you get a witness who's right next to him during this whole time that's really, really bad for the former president. >> meadows a key player indeed. and obviously we'll come back to this trump indictment watch as the show goes on. we're so grateful. thank you for starting us off today. >>> one more significant story before we go to break. there was a pretty scary moment in the senate yesterday when minority leader mitch mcconnell appeared to suffer some sort of medical episode. the 81-year-old was speaking to reporters during his weekly press conference when he froze mid-sentence. take a look. >> this week has been good-bye partisan cooperation and a string of -- >> sort of a scary moment to watch here as we could s

there's some new evidence about bernie carrick and so on, but i think none of that is probably goingslow this thing down. it looks like for jack smith to send that letter, he had to be pretty sure he was going to indict and indict soon. i expect this week, but look, could it be next week or the week after? absolutely. but i think that's where we're barreling towards. >> don't make any plans, that's all i'm telling the both of you. i know you would love to go on vacation, but we need you to be close. thank you very much. >>> coming up next on "the reidout," while states like florida attempt to rewrite the horrors of slavery, president biden and vice president harris honor the till family on what would have been emmett till's 82nd birthday. stay right there. summer. it's the hungriest time of year for kids across america. kids whose hardworking families are struggling to make ends meet. whether it's working the crazy hours so you can have enough money for food or, you know, just giving up things for your personal self, and it's just yeah, gotta feed your kids. far too many kids are mis