bernie graffnan has a piece that compares courts and legislatures. you know, the courts get involved on an expedited timeframe -- the amount of time, just the amount of time that was spent in california gathering testimony, they should get ph.d.s if they do not have it already for the information they had to gather. when i did hearings for the court, i have done maybe two, and for a state like new york, for aggression con -- for a congressional hearing, they have one. but the court is trying get a plan done in time for the election, whereas the commissions tend to really be trying to you know, gather information that will make for a rational plan according to the criteria that adopt them. and we should say the obvious, not all commissions are created equal and there are places like california, where you have citizen commissions. you have commissions that are the only person you care about is the tie breaker appointed by the state chief justice or something like that. and my view, based on what happened in this cycle and compared it to the last. i was