and bernie kerik says he has this document but doesn't want to hand it over. what do we expect will happen next? joining us now is nicholas wu, a congressional reporter for "politico." he was first to report that bernie kerik had handed over documents related to the january 6th investigation. mr. wu, thanks very much for making time tonight, it's nice to have you here. >> thank you. >> so, first of all, let me ask if i've gotten any of that wrong or if there's anything important that i've missed out in terms of what you know from your reporting, what we've learned about what mr. kerik has handed over to the committee. >> well, rachel, that draft letter that you brought up just now, the timing of that and the date on it is what is most interesting. so that's dated december 17th, 2020. and that's a day before trump held an oval office meeting with mike flynn and sidney powell and other trump world allies about ways to potentially seize election machines and other things trump saw as proof of fraud in the election. so it's unclear exactly if these two are linked.

bernie kerik agreed with that.y can fight over that because bernie kerik told them it existed in the first place, and that's not the case with all these other witnesses. so i think it will probably help him avoid things like criminal contempt, but also further negotiations with the committee. >> kyle, quickly, what should we expect from the committee as the anniversary of january 6th approaches? >> i think for the most part it's going to be a week of reflections. you heard liz cheney talk about what's at stake. i think we'll get back to the meet of the investigation beyond the 6th once they finish commemoraing it. >> "politico's" kyle cheney. thank you so much. >>> coming up, a look at the growing devastation caused by a massive wildfire burning across colorado. more than a thousand homes and businesses have been destroyed and at least two people are missing. >>> plus president biden speaks with president ukraine amid ongoing tensions with russia, what we know about that phone call. those stories and a check on the

well, do what bernie kerik is doing. back in january, the committee investigating the january 6th insurrection issued kerik a subpoena. at first, he said he would comply, but then he wanted an apology. fair enough. kerik has continued to place conditions on his cooperation with the investigation. this weekend, he handed over some documents while withholding others that his lawyer claims kerik is prohibited from disclosing. the documents he withheld are cataloged in a so-called privilege log, a spreadsheet that lists and describes the records he refuses to hand over because donald trump presumably claims to pertain executive privilege over them. one document is described as draft letter from potus to seize evidence in the interest of national security for the 2020 elections. yeah. totally normal stuff. i draft a letter like that at least once a day. in all seriousness, though, at the very least, that sounds like it would be relevant to an investigation into an attempt to overthrow the results of a presidential election. o

but now from bernie kerik, of all people, we've got this new revelation. a lawyer of some stripe drafting a letter for trump about seizing evidence related to the election. again, this dated mid december 2020. brittani kerik says that he has this document but doesn't want to hand it over. what do we expect that will happen next. joining us now is nicholas wu, congressional reporter for politico. he was the first to reported that bernie had handed over documents to the january six investigation. mr. nicholas wu, thank you very much for being here. >> thank you. >> so, first of all, let me ask if i've gotten any of that wrong. or if there's anything important that it missed out on in terms of what you know from your reporting and what we have learned from mr. kerik has handed over to the committee. >> well, rachel, that draft letter that you brought up just now, the timing in the data it is the most interesting. so that is dated december 17th 2020 that is a day before trump held an oval office meeting with mike flynn and sidney powell and other trump world a

including some people like bernie kerik that one might suppose wouldn't talk to you and so much as he is an ally. or a loyalist to former president trump >> that's right, mr. kerik worked very closely with mr. giuliani it's a matter of public record and a great number of people are cooperating with us great many now i think have cooperated with us, but getting back to the point i was making earlier as we get to more and more significant witnesses, they are often closer and closer to donald trump. and therefore people that the former president is urging. and has some leverage over, in terms of getting them to refuse to cooperate. but we are, as you say, getting a lot of help. and sometimes, even less publicly known witnesses can offer some of the most important insights, but i cannot be more particular than that. >> yeah we should know, i don't know if we have the bureau. of the infamous four seasons landscaping. press conference of rudy giuliani. but bernie kerik is in the shot. he is standing behind really giuliani. there is a matter of public record there. also some news breaking, j

adviser steve bannon, former new york city police commissioner bernie kerik, and attorney john eastmanshed the widely discredited theory that the vice president could simply reject the election results amid the unproven claims of fraud. >> all we are demanding of vice president pence is this afternoon at 1:00, he let the legislatures of the state look into this so we get to the bottom of it. >> reporter: witnesses have told various publications the trump team at the hotel spent days reaching out to republican majority state legislatures, preparing them to cast aside the ballots of their citizens and award the election to trump. >> it's not going to happen like you think it's going to happen. >> reporter: but vice president pence did not bend. biden's election was confirmed. still, according to a source familiar with this testimony, former police commissioner carrick told a house select committee last week that he continued working on the 6th at the willard, looking for evidence of widespread election fraud in hopes biden's inauguration could be stopped. >> bernie kerik is significant.

betsy woodruff swan, political -- wrote that story about bernie kerik's -- as well as the original story to seize the voting machines. and she joins me now. here, the perfect person to have, betsy, what do we know about this executive order, and what kerik told the committee about its origins? >> kerik testified to the committee earlier this month that phil waldron was the person, to kerik's knowledge, that first came up with the idea of presenting an executive order to trump encouraging the president to direct the secretary of defense to seize these voting machines. now, to be clear, this is testimony that kerik has given to the january 6th select committee as part of an interview. we have reached out to waldron for comment and and have not heard back. and remember, the folks who talked to the january 6th select committee are not necessarily reliable narrators, but kerik is a really important witness for them because he was actually part of trump's outside legal team that worked on all these lawsuits, trying to challenge the election results. it's actually pretty unusual and a very big

so they detail what they are not going to turn over because bernie kerik is claiming their privilege.s about it, kerik's attorney provided the privilege log to the panel which is a file that originated on december 17th in which trump huddled in the oval office with advisors including mike flynn where they discussed the option of seizing election equipment and states, attempting to overturn. even the acknowledgment the listing of things we are not willing to talk about seems to be -- >> some of the things that are coming out are so ludicrously stupid, far fetched, so baked in conspiracy theory it doesn't make sense to normal thinking people who have been around politics for a long time. this is what happens when you surround yourself or you are surrounded with conspiracy theorists, right? is that there are -- some of the stuff that comes out, some of these presentations that we have seen that trump was given are just so far fetched and so ludicrous. but when it comes to what the strategy is, and what has gotten over to the committee, i'm not entirely sure. i think it's really interesti

. >> political reports former new york city police commissioner and allies, bernie kerik, told investigators that that plan to seek voting machines was the work of an ex army colonel need phil waldron. waldron also circulated a powerpoint that urged trump to declare a state of emergency after the election. that would've been illegal as the former a.g. likely would've advised the former president. earlier this evening, another member described the investigation with barr >> they were informal conversations done by the investigative staff with the former attorney general. he was in a key spot, saw a lot and will remember that there are a lot of things that i didn't agree with the former attorney general about. but at the end, he did say that these claims of voter fraud were baseless. >> would you say he's cooperating with your committee? >> i don't know -- what does that mean. he is willing and has in fact had conversations with our investigator. >> as the committee continues its we're trying to get to the bottom of the capitol insurrection, the former house speaker, newt gingrich, another tru

bernie kerik. folks here in new york know him because he is a former new york police commissioner who worked with rudy giuliani, looking for evidence of voter fraud. kerik seeing that he paid for 163s in washington hotels used as command centers. and you can bet your bottom dollar the committee has questions about what went on in those command centers. i bet they want to know who the command center was commanding. who were they commanding? what were they commanding? why did you need a command center? and when a coup fails, then comes the whitewashing, the cover-up. elected officials who were in the united states capitol while it was being attacked. they knew the score. they knew it then, and they know it now. just like kevin mccarthy. this is what he said exactly one year ago tonight. >> the president bears responsibility for wednesday's attack on congress by mob rioters. he should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding. these facts require immediate action of president tr

this is bernie kerik, a giuliani figure and then a trump figure, also a convicted felon, by the way. he told the january 6th panel that it was this army colonel that came up with this, quote, idea. i would call it a coup, to seize voting machines by the military. he said phil wadron originated the scheme, which would almost certainly have been illegal. having the pentagon seize voting machines is indeed illegal. in fairness, this was so wacky, that even the wacky people were like, that's wacky. i just want to be clear about the facts as we follow. there's no yet public evidence that, for example, mark meadows or the president signed off on this military idea. but i'm curious juanita as a student of the era we're living in, what you think of people like kerik and waldron were even getting an audience at the highest levels of government. we can only imagine what the military thought about this kind of meddling. >> let's think about the context of the moment. the date of the draft of this executive order shows bill barr had already designed. i think you also had white house counsel also

>> these subpoenas come in the wake of an interview that the committee conducted with bernie kerik, a longtime ally of rudy giuliani and president trump, who got a pardon from president trump in the last year of the administration. kerik worked as part of the legal team that rudy giuliani helmed. in fact, he could have used attorney/client privilege -- or trump could have used attorney/client privilege to try to keep kerik from cooperating with the committee. kerik very much knows the ins and outs of what was going on with giuliani, jenna ellis, sidney powell, boris epshteyn's legal efforts in this case. kerik's really interesting, because he received a conditional privilege waiver from trump on new year's eve. he turned over a large batch of documents to the select committee. and in the last week or two, he sat for an interview with select committee investigators. in that interview, select committee investigators would have very much been able to pull back the curtain, at least to be able to pull it back a lot farther than it previously had pulled back, to get a sense of the inner wo

sense, and one valuable asset that the 1/6 committee has recently secured is the testimony of bernie kerikvestigator on giuliani's legal team. kerik, of course, gave a massive document production to the select committee on new year's eve of this year and he sat for an interview with investigators on that panel. the reason that kerik was able to do this was because trump signed a privilege waiver, said that he was not going to assert any attorney-client privilege to block kerik from participating. now, trump and kerik said the reason they wanted him to participate was because they believed he'd be able to reveal the truth about voter fraud but any participation is helpful participation and they now have a voice from within the legal team already as well as documents from within the legal team already, and that's something that's invaluable when it comes to trying to make sense of how lawyers make litigation strategy, how they make investigative plans, how this harebrained, major head scratcher of a legal effort that was, you know, cosigned by the president of the united states at the time a