host: someone else you call a clown is a man named bernie kerrick.st: bernard kerrick, former police commissioner nypd. host: why a clown? guest: will, it was cronyism at its best. here you have a guy who had a police career and his only claim to fame as a police officer was being a detective in the police department, which is on the same scale as a cop. the rate structure its cop, lieutenant, david spector, chief, cheap, cheap and he became the mayor of new york city and he made this detective down here and brought him and made him the police commissioner. number one person in this paramilitary organization, which is the biggest police department in the country. i mean, after ivan ray kelly and the police commissioner to bring kerrick, get a you could see. he just did four years in federal prison for corruption, taking things. like that would not happen. when you're going through the ranks you know you cannot do this, you can't do that, you can't do this, you can do that. leadership does not start down here project to work your way to the top. you j