i helped run a network of health centers, similar to the consortium, including in bernie lo county, and about five years ago, -- including in yolo county. i have been involved for about a month now working very intensively with lyon-martin and their board and their staff and their legal counsel, and it is clear that the responsibility is a shared responsibility, between the executive director, management, in the board. as you may have heard, there is over $1 million in debt in both long-term and short-term debt, some of which must be addressed immediately, and other parts of that debt could be paid over a longer time. the $300,000 that has already been raised has been used to support mission-critical expenses, such as rent and salaries, some consulting costs, laboratory fees, other operational expenses. as we kind of transition some of these programs to other agencies and to retain the consultants to assess the financial situation, it has been a very dynamic and fluid time, and we have been running as best -- as fast as we can. financial analysis has shown that without an immediate infu

right joining me from our studio in los angeles is richard as senior fellow at the campaign for america's future now richard thanks so much for joining us when you hear bernie madoff say that the u.s. government the entire u.s. government is a ponzi scheme but do you think he means by that. well it's actually not that obvious because it sticks out it's separate from everything else he says and his interview look. bernie it's like asking charlie sheen for dating advice you know i mean i don't know where you go with bernie exactly except that that phrase when people say that the government is a ponzi scheme they're usually talking about social security and nothing could be further from the truth but he doesn't explain what he means by that he says all sorts and odd things he says his father invented that joe palooka boxing toy that i played with when i was a kid and i went on the internet i couldn't find any proof of that his father was a stockbroker so you know bernie used bernie and i think when your producer first said let's talk about what bernie made off i had to say i thought what on earth could he say that was of interest but it was interesting to hear