that was the bond that bernie madoff had, right. guy here, a young campaign staff who is now facing jail time, right, even with a deal for lying to fbi prosecutors, each of those things is a warning to others, you know, to play ball and to to play by the rules. >> and they're sending a strong message, the mueller shop in the wake of the president calling this a hoax, a witch-hunt. this is their way of saying this is no hoax to us. >> one of the things we saw in the last week is certainly this drum beat from republicans that this has gone on long enough. and i think what we got the message from today from the mueller investigators that we hear you and here is what we've got, you know. and i think -- look, i think robert mueller knows -- i mean, he's served in government. he knows that this is something that is distracting to the white house, that the president, you know, deserves to be able to run his administration. but also, it's clear that he believes that there is something here that needs to be thoroughly investigated, and so he