on numerous occasions but this has to be repeated and i think i can't remember the exact quote berry goldwater said if you're hesitant in deliver it's not good. those closed sessions are all the time their appearing your withholding stuff it's coke to say we have the documents related to the case and the public has to figure out which documents. i think this case has hundreds of documents are you going to look at it and did you get hundreds of documents or thirty and what specific documents did you get in those matters i'll be willing to bet you've been given documents the public hadn't seen and we're supposed to guess we're said in the navy a wild hairy guess. you don't tell us anything you say we're going into closed session owe talk about x. what about x when we look at what happened in the last case there's a good argument the city attorney said the bulk of what we had should have seen and you all sit there and act like the city attorn city attorneys issue the staff are the ones who pick and choose what you the he the public deserves the same right to know what you're going to did you say