can you read that sflint my says tavets, enjoy berry gordy.mine, but you can get your own. but i love the packaging. it's a school idea. >> well, it's the museum now, but it was the hitsville house. and it's where we started. it's where everything happened. tavis: tell me about the house? how did you find the house? how did you end up in that house? for those who never went in detroit, it is a museum. tell me about the house. >> it was a house found by my wife at the time, rae. and it was just a studio. and i loved the house because it had a garage that i felt the beat. and it had a great big window in the front. and it was just a beautiful layout for me. tavis: yeah. >> and that's it. we went in and you know, we made the garage, theecording studio and upstairs, we had a bedroom. i lived there. everything became rooms for people to -- piano and rooms, and we just created that as we went along. and it was evolutionary rather than something we had planned. it was just a plan. i named it hitsville because at that time "ville" was the word. and i

a t of folks don't know that berry gordy was a boxer.t you were in the keafrl hall of fame. you left that and you went into the music busess. what did you take fro that boxing career into if music business? did that help you in any way? >> yes. boxing was good for me. wh i saw j les. and he made my -- it was nazi germany vs. america, the ld of the fe. and amica had won when he knocke out maxmeli. i was 8 years old. and i saw the joy in myother and father'saces. it was like the world -- america,unning through the streets. it was all that. and i looked at that. as a k of 8, i go wt could i er do iny life that wld make people happy all around but also my parent, mainly. it gave me inspiration. and my insration from there was to make people happy like thatike joe lewis did. and like obama just did. [laughter] tavis: who lot of peoe. >> and that s that whole thing but it was that sam kind of feeling bu i was 8 years o. soy started boxing and ianted to be champion. and i fought har on that. joe lewis was my hero -- idol -- hero. but later on r

how do you -- how did berry gordy navigate his way past that news when you heard that?>> well, i don't know, i guess, you know most of us were just numb, period, because we had a great personal love for marvin. we were just numb. it was like we were just, it was, you know, one of those things where it was unbelievable for such a long time, you know and i mean we were like the rest of the world. we were saddened and, you know, it was just a horrible day for all of us. tavis: let me ask you another impossible question since i'm on a roll with impossible questions now. if anybody can answer this question, you can. i have never asked this of anybody because i felt you would have something to say something about this. they're not the same age, obviously, but stevie comes to you as little stevie wonder. michael comes to you as michael jackson, but they're both kids. compare and contrast, you got two kids who come to you and become towering artists as kids. assess for me what you thought, what you saw, what you heard when you got little stevie wonder, kid, michael jackson kid,

a look at some of the sites and sounds from the staples center and my conversation with berry gordy. also tonight we will introduce you to three young siblings from mississippi who make up the homemade jamz blues band. they may not be the jackson family but they make up this talented trio with a bright future. we are you glad you joined us. berry gordy and music from the homemade jamz blues band all coming up right now. >> there is a many things that walmart is looking forward to doing, like helping people live better. because of your help, the best is yet to come. >> nationwide insurance proudly supports tavis smiley. tavis and nationwide insurance. working to improve financial literacy and the economic empowerment that comes with it. >> nationwide is on your side. >> and by contributions to your pbs station by viewers like you. thank you. >> [singing] ♪ we are going to see the king ♪ we are going to see the king >>> i love you, my brother. i celebrate your life and i am glad i had the chance to know you. >♪ i thought you would go and come ♪ >> to the outside world michael was a gen

berry gordy and music from the homemade jamzlues band l cing up righnow. >> there is a many things that walmart is looking rward to doig, like helng people live better becaus of your hlp, the best iset to come. >> natioide insurance proudly supports tavis smiley. tavis and nationwidensurance. workinto improve financial literacy and the economic empowerment that ces with it. >> nionwide is on your side. >> and by contributionto your pbs statn by viewers like you. thank you.

>> i'm not sure if he was in berry gordy's crypt or whatever, but i'm not sure -- i was totally against that. i fought to get him in neverland. it's his work. it's his imagination. it's what he dreamt of. he had dreamed and he imagined and he brought it to reality. i just feel that's where he needs to be. >> in the last hours, the dea joins forces with the lapd and houston police in a surprise raid on michael jackson's live-in doctor. straight out to ted rowlands joining us there in l.a. what happened, ted? >> reporter: nancy, 21 documents and a copy of the hard drive of a computer in dr. murray's clinic was taken out of that clinic, but the shocker here when you talk to dr. murray's lawyers' representatives this was a complete surprise to them. they said they had open dialogue and a meeting scheduled in l.a. on friday between murray and investigators and this is a complete shock. then that search warrant saying in it they were looking for materials that would back up basically a possible, possible case of manslaughter against

berry gordy and music from the homemade jamzlues band l cing up righnow. >> there is a many things that walmart is looking rward to doig, like helng people live better becaus of your hlp, the best iset to come. >> natioide insurance proudly supports tavis smiley. tavis and nationwidensurance. workinto improve financial literacy and the economic empowerment that ces with it. >> nionwide is on your side. >> and by contributionto your pbs statn by viewers like you. thank you. >> [singing] ♪ we are going to see the king ♪ we are going to seehe king >>> i love you, my brother. i celrate your life and i am glad had the chance to know you >♪ i thought you would go and come ♪ >> to the outsideorld michael was a genius. with his unchallenged ability. to the people who were luc enough tknow him personally, he was cari and funny, honest, pur n-jaded and he was a lover of life. ♪ call my name and i'll be there ♪ >>thmore i think d talk about michael jackson, i feel the king of p is not bi enough for him i think he is simply -- i tnk he is simply the greatest entertainer that ever lid. [applause] ♪

>> right, well berry gordy, very involved in the jackson 5 career, as well as michael jackson. apparently michael jackson's casket is in this crypt that berry gordy bought for his family, at forest lawn cemetery. the casket is just sitting there right now while the jackson family is fighting amongst themselves about where to eventually bury michael jackson. >> okay. let me get something straight. i'm also understanding that at the get-go we were told, you can't just dig a hole in the backyard and bury a body. all right? start your own cemetery. but it seems as if that's exactly what's going to happen. the state, while it says it hasn't been contacted yet, says it's okay to go forward with burying michael jackson's body there at neverland, to make kind of a graceland theme park, a burial theme park? what's happening, ellie? >> right. well, the state says that they have been contacted by one of jackson's lawyers, or an emissary for jackson, but that the county -- >> they have been contacted? >> have been contacted. >> have been contacted. >> right, right. but the state -- rather,

. >> there's wer berry gordy, helped launch michael jackson as part of the jackson 5. ack down to earth according to berry, and everyone else. jim moret, the thing about a memorial, and it happens whether the person is a celebrity or not, when you're there experiencing it, and you hear the stories that people tell, you really get a flavor for who that person was. and for michael jackson, i mean, this is something, i think it's a side we never really were exposed to. because friends humanizing michael jackson. >> he was humanized in a way. that's probably a good thing, frankly. so many people tell stories about how weird he is, and we saw his face change, and we heard his -- these allegations for years. you know, there was that side of michael jackson. definitely, even berry gordy alluded to the fact that he made some bad decisions, or i think he called them questionable decisions. but the point today really was to remember the person. the good side of that person. and there were obviously many good sides who touched so many of these folks. when berry gordy made the stat

she was sheberry -- she was with berry gordy and without his shirt is lionel richie. >> that did a lot. tavis: are you getting phone calls? >> i spent most of my career telling ladies do not call me daddy. harlow came along and they started calling me grandpa. mine is you can call me daddy. in this case, this has done a great deal. here is suzanne and she says we want you to take your shirt and shoes off. this could be the make or breaking of a career. it came out fantastic. tavis: it is a beautiful issue. >> i fell in love with it. she is fast and knows what she wants. i was happy she left my pants on. annie will have you in some situations. tavis: let's talk about the director. >> this album, i have done a lot of albums. this particular album, we're trying to figure out how do we approach this? the ankle was simple. -- angle was simple. if i have to -- i do not have to provide can write a song. we have so many great writers. akon and these wonderful people who are involved and i say -- all these guys, i am thinking, what i am going to do is have meetings with these guys at here is my

it was previously upstairs or outside in berry gordy's crypt. the looky lous were out there. the people at the cemetery were removing the bs or gs, anything showing it was berry gordy's crypt. they realized it was out of control. so, they had to move the body. they have places to keep bodies, refrigerators and so forth, this is forest lawn. >> everyone, we are taking your calls. live out to annie in california. hi, annie. >> caller: hi, nancy. i have a question. it's apparent he was an addict with drugs. which, you know, a lot of people are. my question is, after the police department, you know, released the house and people went in and apparently, i guess they were taking things out. could anybody have put anything in there to make it look more like, you know, somebody else did this to him, so that he died more of a tragedy than the super pop icon that was a drug addict? >> hmm. what about that. to john lucich, president of high-tech crime network. the likelihood that someone planted things there on the scene. >> when you have a crime scene or

motown's berry gordy. >> i think he was simply the greatest entertainer that ever lived. >> reporter:stor urged the audience to let the music help them heal. ♪ i'll be there♪ >> reporter: songs from into -- mama right -- mariah carey, stevie wonder and usher. emotional tributes from brooke shields and al sharpton, who spoke about how jackson outsang his cynics. >> every time he got knocked down he got back up. every time you counted him out, he came back in! michael never stopped! michael never stopped! >> reporter: jackson was there, too. on video. his famous moves filling the arena. then his family and the performers joined on stage in jackson's hit song. ♪ we are the world we are the children♪ >> reporter: there are still questions about how michael jackson died and where he will be buried, but there's no doubting the legacy he leaves behind. carla wohl, abc news, los angeles. >>> at 7:00 this morning one of the city fire department's oldest ladder companies will be disbanned. sherrie johnson has more on how it could affect public safety. >> reporter: good morning. a bittersweet mo

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. >> reporter: motown records founder berry gordie called him the greatest entertainer to ever win butthe controversial private life saying michael made some questionable decisions. >> but michael jackson accomplished everything he dreamed of. >> reporter: for the thousands of michael jackson fans who beat the odds and won a ticket to the memorial service, it was an overwhelming and emotional experience. michael jackson's death certificate right now lists the cause of death as deferred. it is still unclear where the king of pop will are buried. jeremy? >> t.j. winick here in los angeles. we'll have more coverage from l.a. throughout the morning here on abc news. later this half hour, some insight on michael jackson's ex-wife debbie rowe and her intentions after his death. >> thanks. the farewells to michael jackson extend well beyond the confines of los angeles. last night at the rock 'n' roll hall of fame in cleveland fans paid tribute to the legend at a candlelight vigil. millions more gathered in public and in private worldwide to say their good-byes. >> reporter: airports around th

you heard it from berry gordy, he is the greatest entertainer ever.ght, meredith? >> oh, they certainly did. between his daughter and brooke shields talking about him, you got a real sense of the man. >> we're back after your local news. >> our hearts are heavy today because this man, this brother, this son, this father, and this friend is gone far too soon. ♪ just call my name and i'll be there ♪ >> it was the most natural and easiest of friendships. >> i love you, my brother. i celebrate your life. i am proud that i had the chance to know you. >> michael jackson, i think he is simply the greatest entertainer that ever lived. >> when he did his iconic moon walk, michael jackson went into orbit and never came down. it was magic. >> this is a celebration of his life. of his legacy. ♪ >> michael's favorite song was called "smile." ♪ if you smile through your fear and sorrow ♪ >> we can't help but love you brother michael. >> we are missing michael jackson. but we do know we had him. and we are the world. ♪ we are the world we are the children ♪ ♪ we are

we sat behind berry gordy the third row behind the family.m react. >> the casket was right there. >> that blew me away. did you know the casket was coming? >> we got word earlier before. >> well, no one in the house knew. the hush that occurred when that was brought in was unbelievable. i did not expect that. it is usually at a funeral. not at a memorial service. >> soledad o'brien and i were watching when they brought the casket out from the forest lawn. both of us had an intake of breath. when you first saw it, it obviously brings it all home. >> yeah. the body is there. why did they take it at forest lawn if not to bury it. >> i don't think they have decided. i think they wanted a private service. >> it was an incredible morning. >> you were sitting next to the three children. you lost your dad at age 9, i lost my dad at age 10. it is hard not to think about what they are going through. and the weeks and months ahead. i was saying to reverend sharpton, it was the months afterwards when the crowds go away and everyone returns to their lives

the crowd got the loudest when berry gordy referred to michael jackson as the greatest entertainer that it was very very powerful. shepard: what happens to his body now? >> at this point there is a lot of speculation. there could be a private burial in the hollywood hills which is only about 30 miles or so from where i'm standing. we have not seen any activity since the event ending. shepard: any word on the results of the autopsies? >> no word. the official cause of death cannot be ruled until the results coming in. the coroner's office said this would be six weeks. that was 11 days ago. shepard: thank you so much. all across america, those that did not attend the memorial, many watched in homes and in restaurants and on screen to set up in movie theaters and in museums. here in harlem, people watched on inflatable screen. in times square, people paused to watch the action. in gary, indiana, where michael jackson was born, people got together to mourn the loss of a hometown hero. dozenmany fans showed up to pay tribute at the house where he lived until he was 11 years old. the presiden

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motowns berry gordy remembering the man he said was more than the king of pop. >> i think he is simply the greatest entertainer that ever lived. >> reporter: a pastor urged the audience to let the music help them heal. ♪ where there is love i'll be there ♪ >> reporter: there were songs from mariah carey, lionel richie, stevie wonder. and rusher. ♪ gone too soon >> reporter: emotional tributes from brooke shields and al sharpton, who spoke about how jackson outsang his cynics. >> every time he got knocked down, he got back up. every time we counted him out, he came back in. michael never stopped. michael never stopped. >> reporter: jackson was there, too. on video. his famous moves filling the arena. then, his family and performers joined on stage, singing jackson's hit song. ♪ we are the world >> reporter: there are still questions about how michael jackson died and where he will be buried. but there is no doubt in the legacy he leaves behind. jeremy? >> and, carla, still so many questions, as you mentioned, about the burial, where and when it's going to take place. what else are you h

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because i didn't want to be known as an album cover artist, but just so happened that the money from berry gordy got so good that i couldn't say no. >> reporter: know high-profile opportunity thrust barnes work to more acclaim where when famed tv producer norman lear had an idea. >> i asked norman to become a sponsor, and as a result herbs said, i'll tell you what, we're working on a show called "the black family." that's what it was called during that time, and we have 16, 18-year-old kid we don't know what to do with, but after talking to you and learning your background, we're going to make him an artist. >> the black family became the ground-breaking tv show "good times" and thanks to ernie barnes, the character j.j. became an artist. he continued to attract the famous, kanye west to create the rapper's foundation but not the glitz and fame that brought him the most enjoyment over the years. it is rather, the ability through his paintings to illustrate the human spirit. his latest series is liberating humanity from within. the series was unveiled at a gala last october in new york city. >> e

berry gordy is the last person we heard from and spoke to the human side of michael jackson, a.j.try and perfectionism and berry gordy, the first thing, you know what, he had some questionable decisions. >> of all people berry gordy was the one. i have to interrupt you because we're able to see and hear what's going on city staples center. they appear to be showing a video. ♪ ♪ bad, i'm bad, you know i'm bad, i'm bad, you know it ♪ ♪ you know i'm bad, i'm bad, you know it, i'm bad ♪ ♪ who's bad ♪ you are not alone, i am here with you, though you're far away, i am here to stay ♪ ♪ you are not alone, you are not alone, i am here with you, i am here with you, though you're far away, far away, i am here to stay ♪ ♪ you are not alone, i am here to stay, though we're far apart, you're always in my heart ♪ ♪ you are not alone ♪ not alone, not alone, you and me, not alone, no, together, together ♪ >> this is a moment that i wished that i didn't live to see come, but as much as i can say that and mean it, i do know that god is good, and i do know that as much as we may feel, and we do, tha

motown's berry gordy remembering the man he said was more than the king of pop. >> i think he was simply the greatest entertain they're ever lived. >> reporter: a pastor urged the audience to let the music help them heal. ♪ in love i'll be there♪ >> reporter: there were songs from mariah carey, lionel richie, stevie wonder. and usher. ♪ gone too soon ♪ >> reporter: emotional tributes from brooke shields and al sharpton who spoke about how jackson outsang his cynics. >> every time he got knocked down he got back up! every time you counted him out, he came back in! michael never stopped! michael never stopped! >> reporter: jackson was there, too, on video. his famous moves filling the arena. and then his family and the performers joined on stage. in jackson's hit song. ♪ we are the world we are the children ♪ >> reporter: there are still questions about how michael jackson died and where he will be buried. but there is no doubting the legacy he leaves behind. carla wohl, abc news, los angeles. >> people gathered in baltimore to watch the touching memorial service for michael jackson. downt

. >> reporter: motown founder berry gordy called him the greatest entertainer to ever live, but didn'tay from the questionable private life. >> made questionable decisions on his part. but michael jackson accomplished everything he dreamed of. >> reporter: for the thousands of michael jackson fans, it was an overwhelming and emotional experience. >> one of those moments that you'll remember for the rest of your life. >> reporter: right now michael jackson's death certificate lists the cause of death as deferred. it is still unclear where the king of pop will be buried. t.j. winick, abc news, los angeles. >> and many people in our area gathered downtown at the enoch pratt library to watch the services on the big screen. some of those in attendance say they came because they were inspired by the king of pop's music and his life. >> people want to be with people during something like this. and i think that's what is happening today. >> we just wanted to pay respects and to show that the younger generation who michael jackson really was. i don't think a lot of the younger generation knows

we sat right directly behind berry gordy, totally moved through the whole thing. ld was he? did you find out, anderson that young man at the end? >> i did not find out. i think he was in the neighborhood of 12 or so. i'm not sure. larry, you were, i guess, relatively close to the casket with michael jackson when it was brought in. what did it look like? >> it looked very expensive, obviously, it looked like pure gold. totally unexpected. you may have known from the perch and your being here previously before it arrived that it was coming. i had no idea it was coming. i was totally surprised by it. it was -- i normally -- i'm not crazy about funerals to begin with and this was not a funeral, it was a memorial service, so i'm -- maybe it is just me. the frank sinatra funeral, they took the casket, put it right in the middle of the aisle and then played one of his songs as the people left and that was a moving moment. i had no idea it was coming. you may have known it. if you did, you had me beat. i was taken by it. and eventually, enjoy is the wrong word, eventually

. >> reporter: she was starting at motown, working with founder berry gordy. >> i saw these kids andelievable. and i called mr. gordy, and i said i've just seen the most fantastic act. >> when she told me about another kids' group, i said i've got all these other stars. >> i went back one more time, mustered up all my courage and said, mr. gory, you just have to see these kids. >> suzanne insisted that i meet with these kids and audition them. >> reporter: an audition seen in this video from a documentary produced by michael jackson. >> they were a sensation. they were tremendous. and the lead singer michael was just so incredible and immediately i was up all night trying to think of the type of song that would create excitement among people. >> reporter: motown gave the group a record deal, and the jacksons began their rocket ride to stardom. >> from the time most kids were building treehouses, michael jackson was building an image. from the age of 10, he was told to say he was 8. and michael was happy to play a part of that. he understand at a very early age, immaking in public rel

jackson's body moved from hiding at the family crypt of motown founder, berry gordy, after jackson's gold pro meetiam gold casket seemingly lost as thousands looked on when it exited the arena. but was the body ever even in the casket? or had it been smuggled out in an unmarked van? a portion of jackson's brain missing from the body. and tonight, just-released video of jackson himself, going up in flames during his '84 pepsi commercial. significant? was this the inception of the star's addiction to prescription drugs? an addiction that culminated in a second autopsy, revealing fresh needle marks in jackson's neck. that's right, his neck. other veins riddled with track marks. many actually collapsing from i.v. use. his skin, paper white. his body emaciated. all in contrast to private video of a dress rehearsal just hours before his death. drugs banned for consumer use, only found behind locked doors in an operating room, found in the home. jackson reportedly ingesting up to 10,000 pills in just 6 months, including 40 xanax a night. reports jackson even wanted to be put under with an i

. >> i know berry gordy has a plat here of crypts. >> reporter: goldstein's been to the crypt and tookse photos. he says given how close jackson and gordie were, it makes sense. as for the ongoing investigation into what killed jackson, questions continue to swirl about jackson's drug use. ckson's doctor now says his patient did at one time use the sedative diprivan. did michael tell you he used diprivan? >> i knew at one point he used diprivan on tour in germany. he was using it, with an anesthesiologist to go to sleep at night. and i told him he was insane. >> reporter: artie klein told diane sawyer -- >> i didn't give him the crap they talk about. i never described him oxycontin in my life. how am i going to prescribe diprivan? >> reporter: last night on the bill o'reilly show, a heated debate between new york congressman, peter king, and reverend al sharpton. further fueling the flam over what has become a national debate over whether the media has spent too much time covering michael jackson's death. >> why is this guy getting all this adulation? why has everyone stopped for micha

. >> larry: motown founder berry gordy paid this tribute to michael today.that ever lived. >> larry: what a day. would you agree with that statement, patti? >> yes, but i have to add to that because this is something michael and i talked about all the time. michael was an amalgamation of some really tremendous talent. michael studied the greats that came before him. the thing that i think separated him from those people -- >> larry: talking about sammy davis, jr. >> these are people he used to talk about and the things they did that were brilliant. he could take a piece of each of those people and blend it into this magnificent quilt he turned out to be. plus, he was in two tremendously powerful petri dishes of creativity, motown and quincy jones' world. >> larry: well put. thanks for all of our blog traffic tonight. keep your comments coming to cnn.com/larryking. we love hearing from you especially on a day like this. some more after this. >> larry: everyone involved today is going to feel an emptiness. i guess, miko, you feel the most, right? >> i feel lik

we thought it was in berry gordy's family crypt. >> it was at first. there were the threats of michael's body being stolen. notes being thrown over the fence. so they moved the body. >> this, while the neighborhood surrounding neverland is in an uproar. neighbors are promising a legal war. if the jackson brothers' plans materialize and a burial theme park is planted there. out to the lines. to maya in illinois. hi, maya. >> caller: hi, nancy. love your show. i have a -- i was wondering, i have a theory on why michael put the masks on the children. maybe it wasn't just to be odd. but maybe so that the nanny could take them to public places and they wouldn't be noticed so they could have a childhood? >> well, i mean, you kind of stick out like a sore thumb when you walk into target with an elaborate face mask on. however, it was my understanding, out to ken baker, executive news editor with e!, that he did that to hide their faces so their faces would not be publicized. >> yeah, he didn't want them to be able to -- he didn't want them to be exposed to th