and to see smokey robinson and berry gordy look at their submission and kind of argue about who wrote this and whose handwriting is that? so the moments when you connect someone to collections or aspects have been i think the most rewarding personally. one happened when i looked at the collections of the library of congress, and i was able to go down in the stacks. frederick douglass, i see it and it is like the most -- when you go into the stacks, 836 miles of shelving, you see all of these people. 23 presidents, 36 supreme court justices, madeleine albright -- just so many. i saw frederick douglass. i asked the librarian could i look, is it really frederick douglass? she said, yes. i guess because i was the new library and said, yes, hon. i didn't think about that later. i pulled out a random box and a random file, and it was in his own hand about the assassination of abraham lincoln. my family in springfield, my relatives are buried in oak ridge. so i grew up with that. you could see the emotion because he wrote, he was killed, assassinated, murdered. it was coming through the ink