quote of voting rights activist bertha lewis who you talk about throughout the book. she i think worked for bill clinton's campaign in 92. she became a leader in the acorn movement which registered many minority voters. you say and i quote from bertha lewis or prospect of a woman president is an exciting and fundamental way as barack obama's candidacy was in 2008 end quote. you believe that most african-americans being all voters feel that way about hillary clinton's campaign? are they ready for hillary? >> guest: she sounds like surely chisholm because that's what surely chisholm said it's important for me to run as a woman as an african-american. so when i've been out of the campaign i spent a lot of time covering the clinton campaign, there are a lot of particularly of -- over certain age and i find women over 60 are my benchmarks black or white or latina are very excited about this idea of a woman as president. a lot of women feel the country has ticked that box of having the first african-american president it's now time for the next big step forward in our progr