any journalist is under relentless pressure in a newspaper journalism bertinelli and newspaper pop journalism, a huge amount of pressure when you're on top of the pile, as "news of the world" always was. it is a collaborative hot house where people are working together with skills being shared. there after tried to get to the best stories entered and protecting them with the best scoops. >> but the phone hacking, as as something you have been aware of? >> no. i was not. just as in other papers, there were sophisticated techniques and devices used. but, all of them to my knowledge were legal. so the idea of phone hacking or voice mail interception was unknown to me and to the colleagues i had. >> the way this is being played out, what you make of the fact that it looks like rupert murdoch is sticking by rebecca barack. yet " and could be arrested tomorrow? >> it is a mystery to everyone who is close to it, quite wide rupert murdoch is so keen to clean to his -- to clean to his charismatic ceo. it is characteristic when chairman, the prime minister, clung to andy chorister. but that is the situ