emblem as part of the flag >>> embattled flag - this time on the programme we are joined by bertram hays davisent of the bovoer foundation dedicated to the preservation of jefferson's southern culture, a great grandson of the president of the united states and reverend nelson rivers past or of charity missionary baptist church in south carolina. reverend, were you surprised that each before the victims were buried people were arguing about the flag? >> well it was more like shock. at the tide that turned to quickly of public elect officials, the governor nikki haley, members of the senate and the house in south carolina the mayor of north charleston the mayor of charleston major riley was a supporter of bringing the flag down. the vice president, reverend sharpton and i met and talked about where we were it didn't seem possible that we would move so quickly, i hasten to say it should not have tape the lives of reverend clementa pinckney a member of the senate. and another eight people most of whom i knew and had close relationships with several of them, and to thing they had to die to make thi