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by beryl howell, these facts make up part of the charges in federal case we were talking about in thest segment and the georgia state case. so no matter what happens with presidential immunity, that state case cannot be barred. that can go forward. these allegations are going to be part of both of these trials. >> andrew weissmann and barbara mcquade, thank you both very much for starting off our discussions tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. >> coming up, ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy came to washington today to discover the president and democrats in congress eager to help ukraine while being blocked by the moral bankruptcy of republicans who are following donald trump's lead to help vladimir putin. that's next. so now, do you have a driver's license? oh. what did you get us? [ chuckling ] with the click of a pen, you can a new volkswagen at the sign, then drive event. sign today and you're off in a new volkswagen during the sign, then drive event. there's something going around the gordon home. good thing gertrude found delsym. now what's going around is 12-hour cough relief.

beryl howell, the federal district judge in the defamation case took this unusual step of speeding up ruby freeman and shaye moss's ability to go after giuliani to collect on the judgment because he's had a pattern of not playing fair with the courts on paying up these sorts of debts, and so at this point, he's unnoticed, if he engages in an effort to shield his assets, he could subject himself to criminal prosecution for bankruptcy fraud, so while he gets a little bit of benefit out of the delay here, ultimately he's on notice if he plays fast and loose with his assets, there could be criminal consequences. >> here's the thing, we have heard about creditors coming after him for unpaid bills, legal and otherwise. so to what extent can the plaintiffs, joyce, in this defamation case engage in deep financial forensics. despite claiming he doesn't have this kind of money, the judge casts doubt in the actual ruling say such claims of giuliani's financial difficulties no matter how many times repeated in the media, publicly in the media, they have disseminated and dually reported, they are

this comes a day after a ruling by federal judge beryl howell that georgia poll workers ruby freemank the $148 million defamation award he owes them. in her ruling judge howell cite concerns giuliani might conceal and dissipate his assets if he were allowed to wait. howell claimed that mr. giuliani has, quote, proven himself to be an unwilling an uncooperative litigant. after previously ignoring requests for payment giuliani could appeal the million in damages awarded by the jury but judge howell notes the amount the jury decided was conservative given the damage he caused the lives of ruby freeman and shaye moss. joining us legal analyst, lisa ruben, andrew and basil, they are both back with us as well. this doesn't get rudy giuliani off the hook. >> it doesn't get rudy giuliani off the hook, but it does press pause. so you were saying that yesterday judge howell allowed ruby freeman and shaye moss to enforce the judgment. the impact of this bankruptcy filing is to repause enforcement efforts. right now, rudy giuliani doesn't have to continue litigating those cases against him. ther

it was a rejection of what judge beryl howell called giuliani's, quote, significantly tardy request fors and what judge howell previously called giuliani's purposeful, quote, shirking of his discovery obligations, end quote, one of his latest arguments to dodge a jury that howell called simply nonsense. we're back with andrew, mary and david. andrew, tell me what all that legal talk means. >> what it means is one week from today shaye moss, ruby freeman have a trial on damages in connection with what rudy giuliani has been found liable for in defaming them. that trial has been scheduled for quite some time, and belatedly, past the due date for making motions, rudy giuliani said, oh, wait, i want this case to not be heard by a jury, i'd like the judge to decide it. and so this very technical issue came up about whether in this circumstance you're entitled to a jury trial or not. and what beryl howell did in addition to pointing out just how many ways that rudy giuliani has violated discovery, has had to be sanctioned and now violated the rules with respect to just when you're supposed to

district judge beryl howell remains skeptical, writing -- "such claims of giuliani's 'financial difficulties' -- no matter how many times repeated or publicly disseminated and duly reported in the media -- are difficult to square with the fact that giuliani affords a spokesperson, who accompanied him daily to trial." the czech republic will observe a national day of mourning saturday as the country reels following its worst-ever mass shooting. the gunman, believed to be 24-year-old student david kozak, opened fire at prague's charles university on thursday, killing at least 14 people and wounding 25 others. he was confirmed dead at the scene. the shooter is also suspected of killing his father earlier in the day before the rampage at the university. video shows a group students balanced precariously on a building's open ledge as they sought to escape the gunman. kozak was reportedly inspired by recent mass shootings in russia. this is a former student of charles university, who was visiting her mother who lives next to the school at the time of the shooting. >> it looks like something unprec

district court judge beryl howell is blasting giuliani calling his claims ahead of next week's jury trialnow it just break. walk us through the case and exactly what the judge is saying ahead of the trial. >> this goes back to the lawsuit brought by ruby freeman and her daughter shea moss. one of the outrageous claims that rudy giuliani made about the pair was that they were passing what turned out to be a ginger mint. he alleged it was a usb drive, passing it like a vile of crack. seeking here the damages it had on their life. the presentation showed how they were afraid to go anywhere, and receiving all of these threats from trump supporters as a result of these false claims against them. as it stands right now, rudy giuliani has been found civilly liable for this because he failed to comply with all of the discovery obligations in this case. a judge declared that he was found civilly liable. this trial that begins next week, this jury trial is solely about how much damages rudy giuliani will ultimately have to pay out as a result of the words that he said against this pair. so right no

giuliani is in the position he was in, is because he was in contempt over and over again when beryl howelljudge on the case, ordered to discovery to be mutual. he did not participate. he didn't say where's assets were. he didn't say anything about that. if he continues to do that, the one thing that the judge has not yet done, but can do, is put him in jail. there are still remedies for the judge to make sure that every asset he has is disclosed, and if not, to take action. >> i mean, michael gottlieb, i've got a long time. very tenacious. i wouldn't put to face any of you in a court. i'm not gonna put myself in a position. neil, one of the questions and wondering, there was a sterling numbers in terms of the amount of money that giuliani had to pay lawyers just for this case. he's facing civil suits from smartmatic, dominion voting systems, as from hunter biden. others i may be missing here. former assistant. his money he would have to pay lawyers, which could be in the millions, is that something he'll still be allowed to do, even as he owes these women 100 and $48 million? >> so, first

that sort of raise the hackles of judge beryl howell. and she said, it seems that he may have defamed them a new. interestingly, today, ruby freeman testified and it was gut-wrenching in the accounts that i read. she talked about how the fbi told her it wasn't safe to go back to her home and she could not go back to her home. so, out of her own pocket she had to pay for airbnb's and she ultimately paid thousands of dollars to have a security system put in her house until her own address was disclosed online, then she had to flee her home. she said, even to this day, she is afraid to use her name. interestingly, rudy giuliani's lawyers chose not to cross examine her. that's a difficult thing to do, to forego across examining a witness or if victim, sometimes, it's the smart thing to do because no lawyer once the be perceived as beating up on a victim, however, everything she said today, it was heartbreaking and gut wrenching, sits an rebutted in the minds of those jurors. >> it's good to have you here tonight to help us through our increa

. >> those remarks led the judge, beryl howell, to suggest that rudy giuliani might have defamed the two defendants again. she also asked giuliani's attorney, quote, if he was concerned about his clients age or mental capacity issues, giuliani's attorneys said they had not seen evidence of that yet. the word yet is worth noting. here so because rudy giuliani never took the stand in the case, video clips like these are the only comments the jury heard from him in the courtroom. >> it's a tape earlier new day of ruby freeman and shaye freeman moss and one other gentlemen quite obviously surreptitiously passing around usb ports as if they were vials of heroin and cocaine. i mean it's obvious to anyone who's a criminal investigator or prosecutor, they are engaged and surreptitious illegal activity again, that day. a week ago in there still walking around georgia, lying. they should have been questioned already. their places of work, their homes should have been searched for evidence of balance, of usb ports, evidence of voter fraud. because they obviously were engaged in it. >> now befor

if he sought remitted or, this motion by him to reduce the amount of the jury verdict, judge beryl howell is the one who entered the default judgment against him for his repeated violations of discovery. last night i had a chance to interview one of the lawyers for ruby freeman and shaye moss, she made it clear that it was years leading up to the fact that giuliani had not complied. does that actually mitigate towards him and not being able to successfully get a reduction in the verdict? >> that's a really interesting issue. he has failed to disclose how much money he actually has. he claims to be broke. maybe that is just a convenient story or maybe it is the truth. but because he has concealed his finances, nobody knows about that. there is a doctrine of unclean hands that says you cannot get relief if you are not coming and being forthcoming with your own facts. that could very well be a factor here, unless he wants to share all of this finances, it's unlikely that he will get that kind of production. >> barb, let's shift gears, let's talk about mark meadows 11th circuit court of appea

then chief judge, beryl howell, and ruled in a way that was favorable to the government and in a really magisterial decision. that was then appealed. the court of appeals issued a decision that was much more favorable to mr. perry. a lot of the decisions were redacted and partially under seal. well, today, to get to the point, the circuit court made an error and they filed publicly the full decisions and the full docket. so you could see, for a fair amount of time, the actual evidence, which included numerous text messages and emails, some of which you cited as well. so there's a lot of evidence with respect to all sorts of people, but i think the senator looks like he's completely complicit with the january 6th insurrection. as you know from just a few days ago, we had the same concern with respect to senator grassley. and with jeffrey clark, if this evidence becomes something that jack smith can use, which would have been the case in judge howell's decision but is no longer appearing to be the case because of the circuit decision, it will be an extremely bad day for him. a bad day in

. >> you'll recall that back in august, the judge, beryl howell, issued a default judgment against jean y'allny based on his admissions and failure to turn over evidence in the case. the task for the jury was to put a number on the human toll that moss and freeman suffered because of giuliani's lies. now cameras are not allowed in federal court, but we know what that toll looked like because moss and freeman have indicated the injuries that they suffered when they testified before the january 6th committee last year. >> i've lost my name, and i've lost my reputation. i've lost my sense of security. >> a lot of threats. wishing death upon me. a lot of them were racist. a lot of them were just hateful. >> it was horrible. i felt homeless. >> it's turned my life upside down. i don't want anyone knowing my name. >> there's nowhere i feel safe, nowhere. do you know how it feels to have the president of the united states target you? >> the mother and daughter said that because of giuliani, they were the targets of racist attacks and death threats. this jury clearly agreed. joining me now to b

circuit on friday, whether it is beryl howell, the former chief judge who has been admonishing and holdinguliani to account. you have some of the examples of judges. i should say, the 11th circuit judges who were appointed by both parties, where people could act out of principle. another thing she talked about, and jen talked about, this idea, for donald trump to get away with this, he has to have enablers. what you are seeing in the courts is a place where facts and law matter, or people are rising to the occasion, where they're not enabling that kind of lawless behavior, and that kind of ignorance of the facts. that is if you are looking for a bright light in this time, that is a place you can look. >> barb mcquade, it would include the 60 or so judges who made rulings in all those phony election cases that donald trump brought. >> yeah. sometimes, the judiciary is referred to as the least dangerous branch. it could be incredibly dangerous branch if the judges were not respecting the rule of law, and applying equal justice. as you said, 61 cases where donald trump challenged election res

judge beryl howell had already decided that giuliani is liable for defaming ruby freeman and her daughteross. so all this trial is about is damages. query what giuliani could have offered as a witness where the only issue for the jury is the quantum of damages. he can't deny that he defamed them. his intent is not at issue. i think what happened here is that money talks and rudy giuliani finally listened. >> maybe. maybe listened. he was saying a lot outside of the courtroom, which the judge didn't like. ryan, we did hear inside the courtroom emotional testimony from ruby freeman yesterday. she told the jury that before all this happened she used to go by lady ruby, and then she went on to testify. i can't use my name anymore, so i'm no longer lady ruby. sometimes i don't know who i am. talk to us about her time on this stand, and was there any notable reaction from jurors? >> reporter: yeah, really brutal testimony, and it was followed by -- that was preceded, of course, by her daughter's testimony, talking about how this tore their lives apart. rudy giuliani's lawyer in this case of rub

district court judge beryl howell called him out for attempting to up end the hearing.ements about ruby freeman and shaye moss, both of whom worked at a fulton county, georgia, processing site in 2020. he argued any decisions about damages he would owe should be made by a judge rather than a jury, but judge howell isn't buying it writing, that he has known about the jury trial demand for nearly two years. the trial is scheduled to begin next monday. we'll be following that. >>> still ahead here on "morning joe," richard engel joins us from jerusalem with the latest on the israel/hamas war. >>> new reporting on the attacks on a u.s. warship and three commercial shelves in the red sea all straight ahead on "morning joe." ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ [bell ringing] and doug says, “you can customize and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual.” he hits his mark —center stage— and is crushed by a baby grand piano. are you replacing me? with this guy? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache! oh, look! a bibu. [limu emu squawks.] only pay fo