beschloss didn't get a quantification.s a tragedy, five people died in two-hour riot and that is comparable to the 3,000 incinerated in new york? or 100 days of torching a federal courthouse. historian has to quantify things or give the evidence, where is the quotation that donald trump uttered that is a cause and effect that causes that? he doesn't do any of that. these are crises not supposed to go to waste. i'm quoting directly from the rahm emmanuel or gavin newsom or hillary clinton. the left sees katrina, a tragedy, as an indictment. they use root causes or words to prove that bush is a racist and has to go. jesse small, the duke lacrosse, the virginia fraternity so-called rape, the covington kids. these shows that there is the systemic racism, misogyny and homophobia. sometimes a tragedy is mike brown or george floyd or the capitol riot but they warp the details and turn a tragedy that all policemen are racist so you must do the following. which leads us, to why do they do it? they don't have the confidence that the

back with me now, kasie hunt, michael beschloss, zeier, and phil rucker. the president and first lady gave their first interview to "people" magazine. what the president said about the impeachment trial, which is starting next week. >> ask me whether or not they thought a trial should go forward. they didn't ask me whether or not he should have been impeached. he was impeached by the house. and it has to move forward. otherwise it would come off as farcical, what this was all about. i think it's important that there be certain basic standards that people at least are able to see what happened and make their own judgments. i'm not looking for any retribution. i'm not looking -- it's just my job is to try to heal the country and move us forward. >> he's trying to walk a tight rope there, is he not, phil? >> yeah, andrea. he's indicating that he supports convicting president trump in that impeachment trial, but he doesn't quite say that, and he and his team for weeks now have been saying they're leaving it up to the senate to decide what to do in that trial t

i thank professor melissa murray, peter baker, michael beschloss, thank you all so much. coming up for us, what's next for the democrats making their case? i'll talk to an eyewitness of the insurrection who happens to be a former house manager himself. >>> and later, why some are saying today's vote in the senate shows the republican party is now something else entirely. under new management with its members overcome by fear of a florida man. i'll ask my guest if it's broken beyond repair. all of it as "the 11th hour" is just getting underway on this important tuesday night. these folks, they don't have time to go to the post office they have businesses to grow customers to care for lives to get home to they use stamps.com print discounted postage for any letter any package any time right from your computer all the services of the post office plus ups only cheaper get our special tv offer a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again. a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale (sam) gamers! he who is good fo

so this is an argument for the ages, not just for this particular senate. >> michael beschloss, given your passion and life's work, you were floored and staggered along with the rest of us by what happened on january 6th. reading you today, you were floored by today for a whole set of different reasons. go into some detail for us. >> well, starting with those lawyers. you and i had a great friend named jack pelante who was a great speechwriter for lyndon johnson. he once told me a story about johnson spent a couple days with a norwegian king who was not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and johnson, as you i and know, was a very smart man and impatient. finally he pushed king under the helicopter, and he said, boy, i knew they made dumb kings, i just never knew they made kings that dumb. it was like watching those lawyers today. i knew they made bad presidential legal representatives, i never knew they made two of them this incompetent. these were probably the two most incompetent legal representatives of a president in modern history. >> peter baker, to that very point, it was indeed

it's true it's easy to make fun of beschloss.is a historian in the sense that 7-eleven is a restaurant. like a convenience store, he is everywhere. it could be 3:00 in the morning on a cold december night and you could pick up a pint of beschloss if you needed one. but don't consume too much it's not nutritious. a lot of people eat this stuff. that is the point. he sell what is the called "popular history." the kind of history that sticks. that is just the history assembled in print and on cable news, at this point -- be honest about it -- are the media of choice for those of us who lived in the world before internet. media for older people. for those under 30, history is written on social media. that is where the real demagogues live. tech platforms are the remain of people for who factual reality is not a consideration. it's a completely different way of thinking. once you decide that biology itself is not real you are free from conventional constraints of reality. at that point what happened in a given place at a given time is

historian michael beschloss for context tonight, as well as the head of the anti-defamation league. and this debate thus far over this vote, the underlying issues as well as where to draw a line, all of it has been heated. >> we are dealing with conduct that brings shame on this house. it is exactly the kind of conduct that helps fuel domestic terrorism. >> who's next? who will the cancel culture attack next? now they're coming after ms. greene. >> every single day that goes by without outright condemnation from every single one of her republican colleagues without consequences for her extremist views is an outright endorsement of white supremacy. >> have you watched the news at all, you have probably seen some of the lowlights, the embarrassing and at times to almost any person enraging reel of things that greene has said and done and advocated in the past. if you watched our coverage this week, you may have seen her say that this was, quote, no big deal or she had nothing to apologize for. she is now trying to defend herself. she spoke on the floor making claims that were differen

joining us now is nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss. >> rachel, this is something we willing, we will never, ever see again. this was a president of the united states inciting an insurrection. a terrorist attack on congress. it could have led to interruption of the certification of a presidential election. conceivably, this could have taken away our democracy, and this is one reason why i think we have to observe the 6th of january every single year as a time that we had a very close call to remind us that we have to be now we don't know if he is coming to the capitol. it would seem to be fitting if that's what's going on here. to have had this happen on january 6th, ahead of the inauguration on january 20th and now to have all of the scrum of the new government and the new administration getting its legs under it and the accountability issues, the multiple prosecutions, the arrests, the ongoing impeachment of -- second impeachment of president donald trump. it feels like we haven't had a moment to mark this trauma that you're describing and that you say we should be

phil rucker, michael beschloss, thank you both for being here. thank you both.especially during this black history month, of the first impeached president, andrew johnson, whose racism emboldened him to circumvent our nation's democratic progress. johnson fired his secretary of war, who supported reconstruction to aid slaves and whose job it was to see it done. but johnson wanted leniency for the former confederate states and feared the power of free black men and women in america. johnson's racism and corruption left our country worse off than how he found it. remind you of anyone? stay with us. once we get there, we will need... buttercup! ♪ with unitedhealthcare medicare advantage plans, there's more to take advantage of. get a check-up here... and have a wellness visit come to you there. ♪ wow, uh-huh ♪ unitedhealthcare medicare advantage plans. take advantage everywhere. ♪ wow. ♪ ♪ ♪ when you drive this smooth, you save with allstate the future of auto insurance is here you've never been in better hands allstate click or call for a quote today what do you l

january 6th was an extraordinary event, as michael beschloss said. there is some danger.ture, as something possible to them if they don't like what's happening in american politics. so it seems to me 1/6 changed everything. the war has been launched. one of the things i would say is those who are coming out against pro trumpism are surviving. that's something new. used to be you stood up to trump in the u.s. senate, you didn't survive. these people are surviving. liz cheney just kept her leadership position. so i don't mean the page has been turned, but i think we are in a new post-trump reality that is very dynamic and in play. >> and i should have mentioned that as well. >> their version of the dlc. daniel goldman, knowing then what you know how, how would you have gone about the first impeachment? would you have changed anything? because in some ways all the warnings that were done in that first impeachment came to sad fruition a year later. anything you think you could have done differently? >> i don't think so. i don't think we had a half of the senate or the majorit

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for more we welcome our friend michael beschloss, nbc news presidential historian.uittal. given what happened on january 6th. >> well, it's a disgrace because of all the things a president can do the worst thing he can do is try to take away our democracy. and from my point of view donald trump did that for four years but he did it most of all in this climactic day of the 6th of january. sending that crowd to attack the congress and the capitol, near hostage crisis, possible assassination of leaders. maybe he intended to suspend the biden inauguration. maybe he intended to say that protect the country from this chaos and violence i donald trump am going to take on emergency presidential powers and maybe even martial law. things he talked about over and over again while he was president. as you know, i've got two sons in their 20s. i've got a wife. i want them to live in a democracy. on the 6th of january i'm not sure that they were going to have that privilege. so i think let's begin, you know, 57 votes were all there were to convict the president of doing this horr

mike -- michael beschloss, thank you.of our contributors who have helped us through this coverage. at the top of the hour, our coverage continues with our friends ari melber and stephanie ruhle. i melber and stephanie ruhle. every time we walk into the door. it's just to be sure. just to be sure! tide antibacterial fabric spray. t-mobile is upgrading its network at a record pace. we were the first to bring 5g nationwide. and now that sprint is a part of t-mobile we're turning up the speed. upgrading over a thousand towers a month with ultra capacity 5g. to bring speeds as fast as wifi to cities and towns across america. and we're adding more every week. coverage and speed. who says you can't have it all? as doctors, we make evidence-based recommendations to our patients. in a recent clinical study, patients using salonpas patch reported a 49% reduction in pain severity. with 9 out of 10 using less or a lot less oral pain medicines. patients reported improved sleep, mood and the ability to work. effective relief. less oral

. >>> welcome back to our live coverage as the great historian michael beschloss pointed out a littleo, half of all of our history's presidential impeachments now belong to donald trump. donald trump now is a twice-impeached private citizen living at his club in florida. our live coverage prepares to take on the second impeachment trial of private citizen donald trump. nicole, today, the initial discussion will be about the constitutionality of all of this. >> that's right. and it is a small but mighty group of very conservative republicans who are coming out against the president and against republicans who seem resistant to holding him accountable. adam kinzinger last night in a new op-ed voted in favor of trump's impeachment in the house implored his colleagues in the senate to convict trump, writing "it's a matter of accountability. if the gop doesn't take a stand, the chaos of the past few months and the past four years could quickly return. the future of our party and country depends on continue informanting what happened so it doesn't happen again." kinzinger follows conservati