the last thing that saved me were wonderful people eager to talk about bessie margolin and her legacy, a all of whom felt a debt of gratitude to her. and then finally, i had to look and was lucky to find bessie's needles in famous people's haystackings. so in william o. douglas' papers, it's not as if there was a, hi, i'm a bessie margolin file, but in the miscellaneous correspondence m, i just kept looking and hoping there'd be a margolin, and i found that in the papers of earl warren, robert h. jackson, on and on. so needles in haystacks. >> [inaudible] be clear for those who may not know those two names. >> yes. >> it took me about five years to write the book. got a full-time job and three little kids in addition, so i think that's certainly defensible. yeah, and i suffered the opposite blessing, as it were. 162 boxes of materials in the library of congress, 8,000 columns. mary responded to every letter she ever received as a columnist as long as it did not include profanity. so there was enormous material there. 60 or 70 interviews. at one point when i was midstream, i had a book