he looked at my resume and looked down at me and said, "so, i see you were a phi beta kappa.nd he said, women don't wear those, do they?" and i said, "well, i gave it to my mother." and he laughed and he took chances and he had quite a smattering from schools that he thought would produce well. the other thing that i should note though from a marshall is at a time when a number of the supreme court justices weren't taking any women, he had two. brian: so in the end -- and this is a question -- how do you show somebody like a supreme court justice your smart? -- justice that you are smart? deborah: you work really hard. brian: but he didn't know when he interviewed you. what do you say -- deborah: in the interview it is not about being smart but if you have some decent people skills and if you have a sense of humor and he had a screening committee that looked at all of the resumes and the letters of recommendation and screened for smart, so by the time you got an interview with him, it wasn't so much about that. brian: you clerked as you said for a number of judges and then fo

he looked at my resume and looked down at me and said, "so, i see you were a phi beta kappa.hat did you do with your key? don't wear those, do they?" and i said, "well, i gave it to my mother." and he laughed. that was obviously the right answer. he looked for that above all else. he wanted really smart law clerks. he took chances sometime, but he had quite a smattering from the schools that he thought would produce them. the other thing that i should note though, about marshall, at a time when the number of supreme court justices want taking any women law clerks, -- justices were not taking any women law clerks, he had two. brian: so in the end -- and this might be a difficult question -- how do you show somebody like a supreme court justice that you are smart? deborah: you work really hard. brian: but he didn't know when he interviewed you. what do they look at to say -- deborah: in the interview, it is not about whether you are smart, but whether you have some decent people skills and a sense of humor and when he like to have you around -- and would you like to have you ar