we check in with two economists who have been examining this: beth ann bovino of standard and poor's mark zandi of moody's analytics. welcome to you both. so mark zandi, to you first. how has the broader economy been affected by all this? >> well, by my calculation, the shutdown and the brinksmanship over the debt limit shaved bay half a percentage point off g.d.p. growth. that's the value of all the things we producedded, in the fourth quarter of if th year. the recovery continues, we're still growing, but because of these events, we're going to grow a lot more slowly and we're still going to be very uncomfortable with the rate of growth we're getting. >> woodruff: beth ann bovino, what would you add to that to help people understand the effect on the economy overall? >> well, i think-- i'm a little bit more close, but a little more conservative on what i'm expecting. i'm looking for aue know, about .6% or $24 billion in terms of a loss from the government shutdown. there, though, i'd add that one of the reasons why i'm a bit more concerned is that because even though we've had the

>> joining,, beth ann bovino and from chicago, low greene, drw trading strategist.appened to the dollar? i think it's a combination of a possible debt default. i don't believe that. i think it's now that qe has pushed -- we're going well into 2014. i think that's what's hrting the dollar. there's going to be no taper. >> i think the dollar -- probably the response is more i think tied to the debt ceiling. there's so much uncertainty that's happening. then you can't tie the fact that, well, with the debt ceiling, with the bickering among politicians in dc, when are we going to see any kind of compromise on the shutdown. that means the tapering will go through into the 2013. >> you mean qe will go through? >> lou, what do you think? >> well, i think it's similar to that. the idea of the qe going through 2014 i think, you know, at some point it was going to go in through 2014. maybe not at 85 billion, 70, 75 gradually diminishing. >> a couple more years. >> don't start until the end of the year. i don't think you can see a lot of difference between the value of the dol