beth rigby from sky news. nigel farage. just spoke about the net migration figures. 900,000, in the year to june 20th, 23, 728,000 in the year to june 2024. all under conservative governments. which gave you a very potent message in the general election of people who voted for brexit and then felt dreadfully let down. but you just said there that labour are even worse. you have nothing to base that on. they haven't yet got a record on migration. and keir starmer says he has a plan to drive down migration and has made that commitment. are you saying that because actually you need to labour fail on migration in order to try and feather your own nest and improve your chances at the next general election? and to andrea just it must have been quite difficult decision to defect from the conservative party to reform do you worry about what colleagues might think? do you think there might think? do you think there might be a world in which the two parties might merge and become a party to the centre right, right? or would you like

and then also there was that bizarre interview the other day where, where i think it was beth rigby kept saying to starmer, well, what about the threat of nuclear war? and he kept saying, well, look, we have to stand with ukraine. it's like, yeah, but what about the threat of annihilation? you couldn't even doubt that. >> couldn't even reassure us. why is it suddenly that we're now under threat of nuclear annihilation when the fact is we have been supporting ukraine for the last few years, and there hasn't been nuclear war? >> putin seems to have taken it personally. these latest missiles that we've hunted answer his rhetoric. answer. >> that is the answer. yeah. >> that is the answer. yeah. >> that is suddenly putin has decided that the uk is a threat. and also biden made this sort of last minute gambit, didn't he? what i wanted to do was just wait till trump gets in and let the let daddy deal with it, basically. and he would try and end the war. but he's last time i tried to get us a last minute nuclear well biden and starmer. so yeah i'm very worried about this side. but now they're t