beth roy asked me to evaluate these trees. there are a couple of points i want to add to what they have already told you. the canopies of these trees are a regular. there are gaps or openings within the structure. the problem with that is the wood is very brittle and limb failures like they've just experienced are common when you have breeches in the can of the for this type of tree. -- breaches in the canopy for this type of tree. the wind gets in there. because of the irregularities from prior storms, and partly because of clearance problems where limbs have been damaged and have come out of the tree -- out of both of the trees -- i think those kind of canopy or structural changes in the tree have created a bigger problem, in terms of hazards. the amount and type of debris that comes out of these trees is extreme. the pods are over an inch in diameter. they are very treacherous, even on level ground. i do have some sympathy towards them. thank you. president garcia: i am assuming the sympathy is for your clients and not the