language talking about the hopeful nature of this and paul ryan has definitely been better when it comes to the messaging. charles: jenny beth, maybe i don't want to get too far ahead here, but assuming that this gets done, certainly the market today says that the so-called smartest guys and gals in the room believe it will. where do we go from here, there are a lot of things backwards, could have bought themselves the trillion dollars if they got the obamacare thing right the first time. talk of the wall, talk of welfare reform. when did they get the wind in their sails? >> they get the wind in their sails, we're up, where they're going to have to pass the bills to fund the government. when that happens, they need to look at exactly what deroy was talking about earlier. we supported, tea party patriots, spending one penny less out of every dollar that the government spends, and i said it a few minutes ago, let's have tax cuts and spending cuts both. that's what we need. charles: jenny beth, after eight years of complaining about debt, deficits and government spending, what happened to that? these were the same people compla