nobody knows this bethan giuliani. and for somebody to say he hasn't tried a case in 20 or 30 years is beside the point. he knows the way the system works. he is a person of great intellect. >> and i want to ask you one important thing. there are many things. but one thing before we go. you represented trump in his divorce. >> yes. >> so you have worked with him. >> yes. >> you know a significant amount about his personal life. probably more than many people. >> yes. >> obviously, a part of all of this, maybe a small part, but we don't know when it comes to perjury. we just don't know is alleged payments including the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. >> yes. >> do you know of this being the way the president would act, would use these sort of nondisclosure agreements? >> well, i was with him for 20 years. i was in the office majority of the week. i never saw the president engage in conduct that he couldn't be proud of. it may -- >> i mean, he was cheating on his wife. >> well, that's -- when i think of bill clinton,