haky i'm pleased to be joining by manhany mclean and bill ack from pershing square management. give me a primer. bethanythey were formed by congress in the wake of the global crisis. the one thing that we might figure out to do with these two companies, what might make more sense. but instead, here he arson years later, the companies are still in conservatorship. they're supported by lines of credit from the government. we have done nothing. even more frightening, the companies have gotten bigger. they have over $5 trillion of debt backed by home mortgages. and thanks to a decision by the government, they have no capital to back that up. in the wake of the capital, we need more of it, that will make the financial system safer. in contrast, we have these two companies, which together are two of the biggest entities in the world, no capital. run by jim johnson in the 1990's, the washington post was called the chairman of the universe. was talk about the accounting scandal, that he might be the first black president of the data states. charlie: what happened? bill: right after the great depression, fannie