i'm worried that if i accept her religion as valid then i'm betraying jesus. >> susan, have you found in your conversations with many, many people, that's a common worry? >> it is. it seems that response to our interfaith world can go on a continuum, everything from, well, it doesn't matter, it's all the same god, i don't have a problem with it, all the way to i don't know what to do with passages from the bible like jesus saying i'm the only way, the truth and the light. there there in our own scripture. i realize in our own bible, we have these passages that would say that no, we cannot accept another perp's religion as equally -- person's religion as equally valid. that's when i started to dig deeper in to these things, asking the questions, for myself as well. >> we were trained to be that engaged with interfaith groups. a little bit. >> not on that level. >> you were writing it for yourself and your congregation and you found that of course other congregations have appreciated the practical nature of what the book offers. >> i did. even when i was working on my thesis for the doc