next, betsy cavendish, the general counsel to d.c. mayor muriel bowser. and then to betsy's immediate left, tom manger, the chief of police for the montgomery county police department and also, interestingly, the president of the major cities chiefs association. so we're looking for him to wear a couple of hats in this program too. to tom's left, chad mizel from the department of justice. chad is counsel to the deputy attorney general and will be bringing us the doj perspective. then to chad's left, tracy short. tracy is the principal legal adviser for i.c.e., immigration and customs enforcement, within the department of homeland security. so he'll be our second government speaker this morning. and at the -- no pun intended -- far left, michael niefack, principal in the d.c. region of jackson lewis pc. michael himself is former general counsel of i.c.e. so i'm really looking forward to his opportunity to reflect coming from both the private practice side but also with the government i.c.e. enforcement experience to sort of round out our discussion. so -- w

we are going to move to betsy cavendish to talk to us about the perspective of dc and betsy, david c is a unique jurisdiction when were talking about cities. i know that a lot of the research that's been done and michelle talks about from the county perspective so feel free to take us into dc and how you analyze dc in terms of its status at his jurisdiction and what is comparable to and what has dc done and what is it doing on the sanctuary front. >> thank you, karen. thank you for coming this morning. michelle set it up very well. she discussed sanctuary cities and generally what is a misleading term that can be. we can't offer and don't offer perfect immunity from all federal immigration law in a jurisdiction but dc is a city, it's a county and its estate. we have all those powers which are really not states and we want to be a state but we don't have a state but we act like one for many legal purposes. what i'll do in my seven minutes here is trying to go into what we think being a sanctuary city means and what it doesn't mean and how we think we are very much in compliance with f