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we talked to secretary betsy devos about the larger invocations.yanne conway has thoughts about that. the elite prosecutor suspended for miss jen drink child molester tells a story about what is going on in george gascon's office. john roberts, we will see you at the top of the hour for "america reports. ♪ ♪ >> kayleigh: welcome back, ripping through crime stories have gained national attention from the quadruple homicide in a small college town in idaho to ongoing double murder trial of alex murdaugh charged with killing his wife and son. fox news audio has launched a new weekly true crime podcast hosted by emily compagno. we are so excited. tell us all about it. >> emily: i'm so excited about this project. there is new episodes every tuesday. wofficially launched today with two episodes. what makes it unique all of my guests are boots on the ground. an actual survivor of the story, the loved one lost and left behind from the brutal murder. it is the detective that never gave up. it is the prosecutor within the court room and combined with that co

i love that president trump appointed betsy devos. a great thinker.f you have an agency that shouldn't exist, that is a formula for disaster. that's why i favor shutting them down starting with the department of education. >> martha: i can't understand why the crisis going on right now why catching our kids up after covid and making sure that we don't have school districts that produce one proficient reader, why the department of education isn't screaming about this and making it their mission every day. if they're not, it's hard to understand why they exist at this point. vivek, i hope we can continue our conversation. great to have you here. thanks for coming in this afternoon. >> thank you. >> martha: so the new indications from florida governor ron desantis that he's getting closer to answering this question. >> when will you announce your presidential run? >> wouldn't you like to know? >> martha: yeah, a lot of people would like to know. what president biden says about running with regard to his age action he waits to make a possible announcement

let's bring in former trump education secretary betsy devos, just returned from the supreme court where she was in on the oral arguments. a lot of people think this case is about whether or not students are going to have their debt forgiven, but about a bigger principle, who has the power of the purse. congress or the president of the united states. >> yes, it is absolutely that question john, and it was clear from the line of questioning there's a lot of skepticism about the program that's been rolled out and stopped for this court case. the question is, and the unspoken line of questioning, was has congress actually granted this power. congress had three chances during the covid relief packages to add student loan cancellation to the legislation. it did not. it only said forebearance, just suspending interest payments was ok. so they had every opportunity to speak into it. what the biden administration -- what president biden saw was a politics and wrapped it in a policy and this after he himself said during campaigns that he did not think there was the authority. nancy pelosi said th

host: betsy devos used a pause payments during covid. she use the heroes act as her basis for making that pause? giancarlo: yes she did. the major questions doctrine is a really important topic to talk about. it doesn't even really apply here because there is this expressed delegation. giving the education -- elizabeth: the major question doctrine doesn't apply here because there is an expressed and broad discretion given to the secretary of education. going back to the major questions doctrine itself. there is no historical or textual basis for this doctrine. it is something that will be controversial for many supreme court terms to come particularly when we have justices on the bench who profess to be originalist, taking the original meaning of the constitution. there is no basis in historical or textual constitutional history for that doctrine. host: is this something that has come about in the justice roberts court? giancarlo: there are traces an older case law. it is far from clear that waive or modify from the statute is clear. an

declaration, and in response to, that we have seen the trump administration, secretary education betsy devos, first put a pause on student loan repayments and interest accrual for all federal loan borwers. that was extended by the trump administration, extended by the biden administration. >> and case 20 to 5:30, five departnt of education versus brown. welcome back. >> thank you mr. chief justice. and may it please the court. across the board, brown and taylor's arguments in this case run counter to precedent and festival. on standing, it is a complete mismatch for the relief th they seek. they claim to want greater loan forgiveness than the claim provides, but they asked this court to hold that the cures act does not prevent alone at all. that means that no one can get any heroes act reliefno brown, if you get nothing for herself, not taylor, who ul lose $10, 000, and not any of the millions of borrowers who need this critical relief respondents lack standing to seek that results, and parties cannot go to court tomake themselves and everyone else worse off. you get around that problem, bro

he hired betsy devos and nothing really happened. so when you say nothing says when you say nothing happened, that's a win for us. and strange to sound that's a win if you put in a whole bunch of bureaucrats and at the end of four years you could say nothing happened i go. yay. we won that for your exchange. okay, go ahead. so i was hoping he would and i'm a trump supporter. yeah, and i think he's coming back but why i was hoping they would get rid of the department education. and why didn't he get rid of the department education? why didn't he get rid of half a dozen departments. he was he was hamstrung from the beginning. i mean when you come in and amanda melia said that she estimated there were 60 mega people in the entire administration. now a president alone appoints 3,000 3,000 and out of those 3,000 you've only got 60 mega dedicated people going to be hard to change things that way to actually get rid of a department. you would have to have a department head who was committed to getting rid of that department and there's goin

and in response to that we have seen the trump administration, secretary of education betsy devos first put a pause on student loan repayments and interest accruals for all federal loan borrowers. that was extended by the trump administration, extended by the biden administration. and in this particular instance, the secretary of education decided that they would stop that loan repayment pause and go with a two-pronged approach. they would stop the repayment pause but then they would have targeted relief for low income borrowers, that they determined pursuant to the heroes act were more likely to be at risk of delinquency and default on the loan repayment. the secretary in august 2022 came up with his two-pronged targeted debt relief approach. we argue in a brief on behalf of one of the cosponsors and co-authors of the heroes act that this is plainly within the statutory text of the heroes act. >> host: giancarlo, your argument against, what would you say why the heroes act should not apply in this case? >> guest: a little bit of background context. the heroes act was passed shortly aft