think one of the also one of the most fascinating things i recall from the book is when betsy devos showed up at a school in milwaukee to talk about school choice to promote school choice. she, of course, is probably the most polarizing education secretary in history drew a lot of protesters. a black parent walking his child in said you're you're talking about somebody's kids. what do you think that moment of shows us about the school movement? yeah. you know, i i really appreciated that that school in milwaukee for for letting me of come in i wasn't there for the protests i visited that school later and interviewed families and that that particular scene that that man recounted for me, you that kind of came from from the families who were a little bit sort of hurt and, maybe irritated that that this debate was essentially happening about their child, sort of the recognition that it was about their child and and, you know, and what i thought was interesting there is that's lutheran private school, milwaukee. it's a it's a high performing school because milwaukee's program requires a certai

betsy devos is standing by with her thoughts on this.st to mike emanuel reporting live from d.c. mike? >> there's real concerns about the rewriting of title 9. a hearing is underway entitled the importance of protecting female athletes and title 9. lawmakers hearing from a women's lacrosse coach after she lost her job after speaking out about transgender athletes in women's sports and from a former ncaa swimmer. >> this new rewrite would place the burden of proving there's an unfair advantage in whatever sport that might be, places the burden on the shoulder of the young girl. men could take academic and athletic scholarships away from women. men could use and would use bathrooms, locker rooms and changing spaces on campuses. >> title 9 was passed to eliminate obstacles for women in higher education. it paved the way for women to have equal access with opportunities regarding sports, regarding scholarships and resources. now the biden administration is trying to redefine sex discrimination. congress woman mcclain sent a letter to educati

betsy devos endorsed education during visits in the new york city trip while skipping visiting the city'sublic schools. sixteen, trump issued executive order on combating anti-semitism enforcement of title vi of the civil rights act protect jewish college students from the over jew hatred rampant on american campuses. others could have done that. it takes the civil rights act and this title vi part and assigns executive order and they are brought against these universities are brought under part as a result of donald trump's executive order. kenneth marcus, the civil rights of the department of education to investigate anti-semitic episodes and campuses like rutgers university. the good old days on campus. now there's so many you can't even count them. trump the important the last war criminal known to be hiding in america. he signed no walkable a bill making it easier for holocaust victims to reclaim : property. he entered the disastrous rancho and fermenting sanctions against iran. he signed the force act, no more america money goes to the plo, moderate errors because i keep killing and

let's bring it angela former department of education press secretary for it fortthen secretary betsy devosernational form visiting fellow and spokesperson for the defense of freedom institute. angela, are you surprised that president mcgill decided to tendered her resignation? >> i cannot see i am. the only surprise here is she lasted this long. someone who cannot unequivocably condemn calls for genocide has no business being at the helm of a tax payer supported university plus she clearly did not know her own student code of conduct. i looked up the student handbook at mit, you penn and harvard all explicitly banned religious discrimination. for her not to know that and for her also to not understand title vi of the civil rights act banning discrimination based on national origin, i believe that lack of knowledge is extremely disqualifying. jon: it was really congresswoman elise who elicited some of the most damaging statements or non- statements from these college presidents wouldn't you say? to her question there's also a congressman who asked these college presidents what have you done

so, this idea that betsy devos pitched early on in the trump administration, that hired to keyshawn isudents what to think and not how to think. is sort of wrapped into this new idea of an american academy. this pipe dream of an american academy that trump has mentioned. >> ruth, he is out there making a lot of promises about what a second term would look like, and it is mostly about vengeance. mostly about using the federal government to go after his perceived enemies. we heard a little bit about repealing the affordable care act, which is potentially even just about vengeance against barack obama. what then, how does this fit in? how does the idea of reshaping higher education fit into this autocratic worldview? >> well, authoritarians always go promptly after education after universities and schools because it's not just to change the curriculum so it supports their ideas of history and demonizes their enemies and so trump is saying that college professors, like me i guess, are turning students into communists interests. but they also want to make the university reflect authoritaria