slotkin: it is clear how betsy devos is connected to education. she was the secretary of education come the longest serving under donald trump, and she end every member of her family have donated to you for years. it would make sense that you adopt her approach to education, demonizing public schools and public school teachers. i don't believe in that. every kid in every corner of our state should have their access to education. >> let's turn our attention to health care and affordability. i will address you for this first question. research from the cdc showed the high cost of prescription drugs has had adult skit medication, put off refills, or take smaller doses. it is heartbreaking. there are those worried

slotkin: it is clear how betsy devos is connected to education. she was the secretary of education come the longest serving under donald trump, and she end every member of her family have donated to you for years. it would make sense that you adopt her approach to education, demonizing public schools and public school teachers. i don't believe in that. every kid in every corner of our state should have their access to education. >> let's turn our attention to health care and affordability. i will address you for this first question. research from the cdc showed the high cost of prescription drugs has had adult skit medication, put off refills, or take smaller doses. it is heartbreaking. there are those worried about the bigger picture. rightly so. as health care costs continue to rise, many americans struggle to meet basic medical needs. what ideas would you propose or support in order to obtain an affordable health care system while maintaining high quality medical care? rep. slotkin: this one is particularly personal to me. i lost my mother in 2

betsy devos is a former education is secretary and joins me now.back in a second trump term, you would shut down the department of education. why because it have to go? >> well, stu, it needs to go because it has done nothing to the help advance student achievement and done everything to be agenda-driven, farther and farther and farther to the left. every democrat, left-driven administration has taken the department further to the left with all of their policies. they send out money, congress appropriates with all kinds of strings attached that require states and local communities to do things they don't want or need to do for their students. it doesn't add value. stuart: the education department tries to make policy for the states. it tries to impose federal authority -- >> that's right. stuart: -- over the state,, always a supporting the teachers union. >> always supporting the teachers union. it's become, essentially, an arm of the teachers union resident in washington d.c. stuart: can you ever just demolish an entire department in d.c.? >> well

it is something donald trump and betsy devos tried to do nationally, taking money from the public education system. all sorts of studies show what that does. it takes a school system where there aren't winners or losers and increases the number of losers that are left behind in schools where they can't learn that are further underfunded. it is a right wing, republican attempt to drain public school resources and give tax breaks to wealthy people already sending their kids to private school. it is the first step towards vouchers ending up with kids going to $30,000, $40,000 per year private schools saying where is my voucher. this will devastate a public school already struggling. we need to invest. there are incredible people and incredible programs but it is struggling. with our leadership we will make the investment to make the difference. sarah: you have talked about paying high-performing teachers more. can you talk more about how you would quantify its success based on student performance? mr. meyer: there are measures available including testing, but not exclusively limited to testing

or people with very deep pockets like a betsy devos. it's also rank and file voters. it's the harris campaign that is telling us that the way they see donald trump is more popular than ever. i mean, how many times have you guys heard over the past eight years from democrats saying, well, he's got this ceiling and he's not going to get above the ceiling though not saying that anymore, still may have that feeling he might not the question is, can he get to 50? >> and i would argue the data tells, you know, anecdotally problem probably not in most of the battleground states can donald trump get to 50 for the question is, can she get to 49.5 and this conversation, it doesn't hurt her, but it doesn't necessarily help her that we're talking about republicans who left donald trump coming back to donald trump, there are republicans like lindsey graham who left him ten times and come back ten times. this conversation has not, but it doesn't help her. again, george w bush ran on compassionate conservative which isn't brock obama was hoping change

slotkin: it is clear how betsy devos is connected to education. she was the secretary of education come the longest serving under donald trump, and she end every member of her family have donated to you for years. it would make sense that you adopt her approach to education, demonizing public schools and public school teachers. i don't believe in that. every kid in every corner of our state should have their access to education. >> let's turn our attention to health care and affordability. i will address you for this first question. research from the cdc showed the high cost of prescription drugs has had adult skit medication, put off refills, or take smaller doses. it is heartbreaking. there are those worried about the bigger picture. rightly so. as health care costs continue to rise, many americans struggle to meet basic medical needs. what ideas would you propose or support in order to obtain an affordable health care system while maintaining high quality medical care? rep. slotkin: this one is particularly personal to me. i lost my mother in 2

betsy devos, his previous education secretary, tried to do this. it was, failed at doing that.wants to give parents the ability to fire teachers and to reduce tenure protections. again, these are not a lot of things that the presidents have power to do, but trump is clearly signaling here that he wants to get the federal government out of this, he wants to put parents back in charge, and that he will be some sort of federal enforcer. amna: ok. so that's former president trump. let's talk about vice president harris. as we said, this is not a central issue to her campaign. but what do we know about her plans if she were to be elected president? william: when harris talks about education policy, she's most often talking about the things that donald trump is proposing and how much she dislikes them. for example, she very much thinks eliminating the department of education is a terrible idea. she wants to strengthen its two main funding streams. that's money to educate low-income kids and disabled children. she regularly sides with teachers, saying, i want to boost your pay. she tr

pennsylvania and since joe biden stopped being a candidate and you also have reported just at that dinner, betsy devos was there, trump's education secretary would stood out to me because she resigned on january 6 after january after january 6, and blamed his rhetoric for escalating the violence that took place at the capitol. think it speaks volumes about how durable his support is within the republican party, and how people who have been oppositional to him in various ways at various times realize they are not going to be able to be against him, end beat harris, which they see as a crucial imperative. >> i gave fascinating three weeks ahead of us. thank you very much for the great reporting up next tonight, we're following this very closely. there has been record turnout in the critical battleground state of georgia and is the first day of early voting. of course, that's the same state where donald trump is criminally charged with trying to overturn the last election i just want to find that we have ten eastern on cnn melissa gilbert here. i've had a hard time sleeping since my late 30s when i didn'

slotkin: it is clear how betsy devos is connected to education.he was the secretary of education come the longest serving under donald trump, and she end every member of her family have donated to you for years. it would make sense that you adopt her approach to education, demonizing public schools and public school teachers. i don't believe in that. every kid in every corner of our state should have their access to education. >> let's turn our attention to health care and affordability. i will address you for this first question. research from the cdc showed the high cost of prescription drugs has had adult skit medication, put off refills, or take smaller doses. it is heartbreaking. there are those worried about the bigger picture. rightly so. as health care costs continue to rise, many americans struggle to meet basic medical needs. what ideas would you propose or support in order to obtain an affordable health care system while maintaining high quality medical care? rep. slotkin: this one is particularly personal to me. i lost my mother in 201

it is something donald trump and betsy devos tried to do nationally, taking money from the public education system. all sorts of studies show what that does. it takes a school system where there aren't winners or losers and increases the number of losers that are left behind in schools where they can't learn that are further underfunded. it is a right wing, republican attempt to drain public school resources and give tax breaks to wealthy people already sending their kids to private school. it is the first step towards vouchers ending up with kids going to $30,000, $40,000 per year private schools saying where is my voucher. this will devastate a public school already struggling. we need to invest. there are incredible people and incredible programs but it is struggling. with our leadership we will make the investment to make the difference. sarah: you have talked about paying high-performing teachers more. can you talk more about how you would quantify its success based on student performance? mr. meyer: there are measures available including testing, but not exclusively limited to testing

i think she's trying to remind voters about this because as i was noting earlier, betsy devos, one of trump's cabinet secretaries who resigned because of january 6th, is now in donor meetings with him. it shows just how short lived people's memories can be. i also wonder why he has time to write a truth social post and not come here to talk to voters. i don't think it's an issue of time, right? >> oh, you don't think so? no, but but but seriously, i mean, there is a lot of frustration in harris world that they feel like this is asymmetrical political warfare. >> it's not just harris world. i mean, i heard i heard from a republican tonight saying why, you know donald trump wouldn't sit down with these voters and answer their questions. and nobody is saying well, donald trump didn't have a three point plan on, you know student debt. >> well, we did we talked about the fact that he doesn't have he only has a concept of a plan and so forth. >> i just think that's the reality of this country. there's a large swath of this country that they're fine with. what donald trump is saying, that he