joining me is the author of that piece, betsy hodges, former mayor of minneapolis. mayor hodges, it's controversial topic that has poked some bears. people are reading "white fragility," people are reading eddie glaude's book about james baldwin, they're saying white liberals say the right thing then go back to their comfortable existence, not realizing the benefit they enjoy to the detriment of people of color in their own cities. >> good morning and thank you for having me on the show. as you were reading the piece alau alo aloud, i thought, i really did say it, i said it aloud. yes, i don't say it without understanding that these are my people, that i am a white liberal myself. and it is part of the system that makes -- you know, we all have our role to play in the system and we're all trained into our part of the system. but for white liberals indeed, understanding that these systems have been set up for us, for our outcomes, for our convenience, for our comfort, and that until we change the systems to get other outcomes, they will continue to get the same outcom

. >> betsy hodges was in fact democrat. it will be for massages with american finance listing of that happen to be. >> a democrat because they haven't had a republican for long time. >> are cheap like that, a mayor for a long time. in fact the last time there was a republican man in minneapolis you remember . >> hello long time ago pretty. >> 1963. i'm getting old. and out of the fourth i was born. celeste and we had republican clear 1963, 50 some years ago, is a city council involves will. take a guess which party has the majority's in city council. >> i think the democrats pretty. >> twenty and you'd be right. but democrat, and there were seven democrats are eight and nine and ten democrats, 11 democrats, 12 democrats or 13 democrats. that is a good deal. they're not a republican either so you you have a city where controlled by the democrats. overwhelmingly democrat. no republicans. and yet we have people on the left his opening comments reference present president trump. so many people were deployed the president for th