will betsy de voss is the secretary of education in is a member of the howard's board. howard was signed by the 17th president the united states president johnson. with that in mind, the secretary of education often, the secretary of education often invites themselves to the campus or are invited by us. i think that's a good thing. she was confirmed at 12:00 tuesday, and i got a call that she wanted to speak to me at 4:30 pm that afternoon and she informed me that she wanted to come on thursday morning. a very quick turnaround, she wanted to come to our campus is a first visit. i think it was the right thing to do. my fat a lot of interaction with her since then. i would do a couple of things differently. one of which is probably consult with the students on campus in particular and also to educate them about why i thought it was important. i've had a lot of interaction with her. i think she's been a good listener. i disagree with some of her policies, but even under the circumstances, she has not been shut off to getting feedback on what's going on. on the president side, if you look at that picture very carefully, you will notice that i am no