not to be partisan here, but patricia makes a betwegood poin. it's not about ronald reagan. it's about bill clinton and reform. it's about presidential leadership and providing cover to your own party. and i'm not going to speak for javier. wouldn't dare do that. but democrats immediate a little help. we had a veto threat which wasn't done the way president obama wanted it done and that's not leadership. so i think it requires a couple of things. one, taking what i think is a consensus among folks, not just the elite, that we're in a serious fiscal crisis. crisis is not too long a word to use. and second is leadership on what are the solutions. you're right, people concerned about raising taxes, concerned about cuts to popular benefit programs. but if there is sense of the greater good and both have restraint and growth, i think people can move it forward. but it requires leadership in terms of the solutions. >> you've got to jump in here. >> well, two years before president reagan's tax reform in '86, he he worked with congress to pass deficit reduction plan. 80% of that de