guest: the beutjer? it was a photograph i liked because it showed daily life and the publisher seemed to like it a lot. it wasn't one i would have chosen to highlight. it was self just showing a man doing a very simple job which is very typical of what somebody would do in a place like that. host: is that lamb? guest: yes. host: on a day-to-day basis, what kind of food do they eat in pakistan? guest: if you're very poor in pakistan, which many people are, you mostly eat wheat, like pancakes, fried or cooked in hot oil, and then you use them to scoop little stews made of lentils, like lentil soup and they put hot chili peppers in it to give it flavor so there are a lot of people who live on that food, sometimes rice, as well. and then tea with lots of sugar. sugar is a huge component of the diet to give people energy. but there are a lot of people that don't eat meat. there are a lot of people that don't get fruit or eggs. there are not many starving people in pakistan. pakistan can feed itself and pakist