came to the united states in the middle of this period and bevan had really insulted truman and bevaneally made that statement that new yorkers took as antisemetic. he made some caustic, nasty statement in the jews in new york. >> americans want the jews to go to palestine because they don't want them in new york. >> right. [laughter] >> so anyway, bevan came to the u.s. and i think he went to the yankees game at yankee stadium and the entire yankee stadium they announced ernest bevan here and the entire yankee stadium booed him. [laughter] >> good thing he wasn't at a dodgers game. [applause] >> one other figure i'd like to you touch upon a little bit more, a little more at length is clark clifford because he seems to have played really an instrumental role. and to what extent is this a function of clifford's convictions. how is it that he came to be the counter-weight to george marshall in the final arguments that were offered to truman. >> well, as i said in my paper, he was very influenced by rosaman and spent a lot of time with him and he didn't have strong feelings about zionism

you said that after churchill left being the prime minister of england, was it bevan -- was that the name you gave. >> ernest bevan. >> i thought -- >> he was prime minister -- >> no, ron, it's the opposite. adelaide was prime minister and bevan was -- >> atley was winston churchill's both his predecessor and he came after -- >> over here? >> i've always been curious about george marshall. he threatened to resign and then he didn't resign. >> uh-huh. >> and he's such a large name in american history. do we know anything about his thinking? was he antisemetic. what was his thoughts as to why he opposed so much? >> some people thought that he didn't have very strong feelings about it before he became secretary of state but he was very influenced by the state department once he did become secretary of state and kind of adopted their attitude toward the middle east and a partition and israel. >> also, he had -- he had a long it talk right before the leaders of the jewish agency were going to vote in palestine about whether to proclaim a jewish state. he had a long talk with mosha and he