bhattacharya is still my guest -- >> there it is. should we wait for near universal vaccination before a resumption of normal life? you get for the first to respond to it. go ahead. >> we should not wait. we should wait until the vulnerable protected which we can do if we're smart by the end of january. >> you know some are going to say this is reckless. people are saying, wait a minute, you're advocatining opening up the bars and restaurants before we've got an adequate level of protection. you'd say what briefly to them? >> i think it's reckless to delay opening up when we know the lockdown harms are so devastating again to the physical and psychological harms of the young. i can understand we're exposing older people to risk. with the vaccine, we don't have to. we can use the vaccine to protect older people who really would have been at risk, absent a vaccine. with the vaccine, they won't be. after that, the lockdown is way worse than covid. we're in a bad situation, michael. we either have to face one bad thing or another. either

bhattacharya. and by the way, real quick, because i want to ask you, i thought in your testimony, two things were very stark. you mentioned this with senator hawley. the 130 million people that the u.n. study showed were going to starve to death because of the economic devastation of the shutdowns, that now the world health organization says we shouldn't be shutting down, and yet there are so many governors that are still pursuing that path. the other one was, and i don't think this is in your testimony, i saw this in other writing. i've certainly been following it, and i've actually in a couple op-eds talked about the case of fatality rate versus the infection fatality rate. i have been monitoring with the prediction is from oxford medicine. for months now they've been pretty can the infection fatality rate will be between .1 and .4. i think now it is .1 and .35. you talked in the article about these studies, 82 of them now are pointing to a .2% infection mortality rate. seasonal flu -- and i have

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jay bhattacharya. great to see you and first of all, thank you for all your work on this.reat bearing ten declaration such an important step in challenging the groupthink we seen so far on how to handle the virus. what's really interesting is how that connects with what is coming down the line now in terms of the vaccine so i love you to put those two things together and explain what you think needs to be done. >> sure, the vaccine is a golden opportunity to end the epidemic. if we do the right thing and use it correctly. we know that the elderly are the most vulnerable people and about 50 million elderly people in the u.s. and it just so happens that within the next two months we will have enough to vaccinate about 50 million people, enough vaccine. if we vaccinate those folks and that is basically the idea of the great barrington declaration, focused protection of the elderly and other people who are vulnerable of the rest of the population, lockdown harm effects worse, schools are closed, basically really damaging our children and young adults one in four seriously cons

bhattacharya? >> senator, if i can have an opportunity after him. >> sure. >> i've been reading about this. there is a debate going on about what exactly this is. part of it is they have a younger population. the lower rate of mortality in africa is partly due to that because it's mostly the elderly. i agree with that, the use of other medications, the pure promising, are going to end up playing a role in explaining why places like india, places like countries in africa have done better. there is another explanation -- a couple other explanations i've heard in the scientific literature -- again, this is all being sorted out -- is the prevalence of cheap vaccinations. there is a vaccination called bcg vaccination that apparently played some role, and that's the hypothesis put forward, and there's some evidence in that in preventing bad disease or disease at all. the other hypothesis i've heard is the troubles of preexisting immunity based on cross-reactive protection from other coronavirus infection

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