you mentioned benazir bhutto's assassination.think some of the question remains, some of the questions continue to remain and are being debated who was behind president kennedy's killing and who killed benazir bhutto? which one of those cases will continue to remain being debated? >> you have mentioned at the end the recommendation that you ga gave. law enforcement enhancements a and -- bishop bartsch a brief doubled the forces in punjab in the same way. my question to you is based on your recommendation this pluralism and law enforcement, my question is in most of the cases in pakistan the prime ministers became prime ministe ministers. if you become prime minister through accident and if you are asked to make a recommendation to advise the prime minister practically what is something specifically the three or four steps you will do to bring this kind of terrorism and instability to an end? thank you. >> thank you very much. you are right about benazir bhutto but the reason i would really like pakistan to thoroughly investigate

who killed benazir bhutto? it's one of those cases where we remain to debate it. you have mentioned at the end the recommendation that you ga gave. on enforcement enhancements and -- and sharif double the salaries and a -- were doubled. my question to you is based on your recommendation on religious pluralism and law enforcement, my question is in most of the cases in pakistan the prime ministers became prime minister after an accident. if you become prime minister and if you are asked to make the recommendation of the prime minister pragmatically what a something specifically the three or four steps you will do to bring this kind of terrorism and instability to a close? thank you. >> thank you very much. you are right it is an issue but the reason i would really like pakistan to thoroughly investigate and figure out who killed benazir bhutto because in the absence of a very clear answer it continues to become more popular and is those who are behind the killings think they can continue to kill and get away with it. we have seen in the recent past many of the poli

the same night -- the same evening when bhutto was killed. hamid karzai told her, intelligence information that you will be assassinated on the route today, and pakistan intelligence told her the same thing. i think very honest and give the impression that my view is -- but maybe some elements from the old handers and what she said. these are the circles, if you want to understand the pakistani counterintelligence and policy, and there's almost similar kind of thinking in afghanistan. most of -- i had the honor to have many of them as my students at columbia, and i have seen them as very bright but almost -- 99% of these -- base opened my three years of interviews -- even pashtun, they are convinced that the problem that afghanistan is facing is because pakistan supports taliban. they are absolutely convinced on this and they're very thankful for what pakistan has historically done for them. these general perceptions within pakistan is about intelligence, the role of intelligence or the role of military or about politics. the reality is somew

that you killed benazir bhutto. we were sitting on a very long dinner table and by then he was very kind and very sweet and he kind of almost jumped in his seat and he said -- he stopped eating and i immediately realized i should have framed it differently, but what he said to me, he said blame us for anything that you want to, but don't tell me and don't think that we are stupid. we are as patriotic. we knew well that what would happen and we had warned her that same very night. in fact, later on in in a conversation in the same building i was told that when hamid karzai went the see her, the same night, the same evening she was killed, karzai told her, as well, we have intelligence information that there will be assassination attempt on you today. and pakistani intelligence had told her the same thing. i think the general was very honest and i don't want to give the impression my view is intelligence killed her but maybe some elements from the old handlers and those exactly what ben zar had said and before coming

in here or the street, it's the same. >> but bhutto and garza have more in common than religion. >> myife without a possibility of patrol. >> i'm charged with murder, first degree, so as far as details, life without possibility -- same thing. >> i'm here for heat of passion. i caught my wife with somebody and -- >> and? >> killed her. know, i'm not proud of it, i've regretted every single minute of it. >> so what was the charge? what was the conviction? it's not heat of passion. >> it is heat of passion. >> he told us he took responsibility for his actions. but during the course of the interview, it seems like he kind of left the door open a crack to say, i'm not really sure. >> a lot of people say i can justify according to the bible or koran. if your spouse is cheating on somebody, you have a right. god tells it a certain way. it is, but be better -- we are human beings. we are given choice, right from wrong. i knew what was right. what i did, i can't justify it. she had a mother. she was somebody's daughter. she had a father. the worst part is, i have a daughter with my wife and she

. >> charlie: bhutto was involved in what way? >> the early negotiations with north korea on exchanging nuclear secrets in terms of missile parts. she even admits it in her memoirs. if mr. khan was on your show and told you the truth, it would be highly embarrassing for the government of pakistan and for many, many pakistanis. >> charlie: yet he's a national hero in pakistan because he gave them nuclear power. >> the father of nuclear weapons, the only muslim country with a nuclear weapon. >> charlie: who's next to get it, iran, obviously. >> they're the closest by far. >> charlie: do you think they will? >> i think there is a chance for this deal because i think seven parties to this deal would prefer a deal to nuclear war. (indiscernible) and the iranians. >> charlie: the iranians don't want to be decimated. >> they will put a hard deal on the table. what concerns me is with the ukrainian situation we'll see the russians fall off the wagon mere. >> charlie: suppose jimmy carter said to the " ayatollah, i'm going to level iran an

were intimately involved. >> rose: bhutto was involved in which way? >> was involved in the early negotiations with north korea on exchanging nuclear secrets in return for missile parts. she even admits it in her memoirs. >> rose: memoirs. >> if mr. kahn was on your show and told you the truth, it would be highly embarrassing for the government of pakistan, and for many, many pakastani officials. >> rose: yet he is a national hero in pakistan? >> >> rose:. >> because he gave them nuclear power. >> the father of the nuclear power. the only muslim country that has a nuclear weapon. >> rose: who is most likely to get it next? iran? >> iran is closest by far. >> do you think they will get it? >> i this think is a chance for this deal, because i think seven parties to this deal would prefer a deal to nuclear car, g 5 plus one and the iranians. >> rose: well of course they don't want it. >> iranians don't want -- but they are going to put a very hard deal on the table. what concerns me is that with the ukraine situation, we are going to see the russians fall

a lot of pakistani politicians, including benazir bhutto, were involved. earlynvolved negotiations with north korea on exchanging nuclear secrets in return for missile parts. .he admits it in her memoirs was on your show and told you the truth, it would be highly embarrassing for the government of pakistan and many pakistanis. >> he is a national hero in pakistan. >> he is the father of the nuclear weapon. the only muslim country that has a nuclear weapon. >> who is most likely to get it next? iran, obviously. >> iran, there is a chance for this yield is a thing seven parties to this deal would prefer deal to nuclear war. p5 plus one and the iranians. >> they did not want to be decimated. >> iranians do not want to be decimated. they will put a hard deal on the table. what concerns me is with the ukraine situation we will see the russians fall off the wagon. >> it did not happen but we are looking back and it is one of those what-if questions. jimmy carter had said i will level iran and we have the nuclear weapons i can do it and i realize i am sacrificing

bhutto was involved in the early negotiations with north korea on exchanging nuclear secrets in returnor missile parts. she even admits it in her memoirs. if mr. khan was on your show and told you the truth -- it would be highly embarrassing for the government of pakistan and for many pakistanis. >> yet, he is a national hero in pakistan because he gave them nuclear power. >> he gave the nuclear weapons. >> who is most likely to get in next? >> iran is closest by far. i think there is a chance for this deal because i think parties for this deal would prefer a deal to nuclear war. >> they don't want to be decimated. >> they are going to put a very hard deal on the table. what concerns me is with the ukraine situation, we are going to see the russians fall off the wagon. >> it didn't happen. it is one of those what-if questions. supposed jimmy carter said he is going to level tehran. i realize i am sacrificing great americans but i am prepared to do it because this is embarrassing, worst than embarrassing. it is a declaration of war and we want to win this war. we realize there will be c

extreme islamists and even though they were immediately followed by the assassination of benazir bhuttond the second achievement was the deepening of relations with china. there were several dozen working groups established that had previously existed at the joint meetings of all kinds of american and chinese officials that were a sensually his accomplishment and that of the secretary of the treasury paulson who was very interested also in deepening the relationships with china and at the close of his tenure, at the close of the second bush administration he almost certainly would have been secretary of state had condoleezza rice apparently according to the memoir offered to resign in his favor and was told by the white house that the bush administration wouldn't do it so she remained until the end of the administration. so she has retired -- he has retired. he does consulting work for the associates and teaches one day a week at yale. i didn't think his career is over. it's hard to sa say but it does exemplify the influence a relatively clear-sighted diplomats can have on a variety of

so i wrote to try to kill benazir bhutto, the former head, pakistani taliban. and sheila says he said i kept up with me. she sent back the text to me that night and she wrote back. she said something to the effect, and manpower freezing, that these are the radical element written to the pakistani establishment. she said there are elements of whether it is are the ones who fall behind it. >> up next on booktv, said three of a set of criminal case based on several scandals that has surrounded the administration including ben passy, irs targeting the groups. >> i've been gone so long some of you have forgotten who i am. my name is that of six. [applause]