i opened the door, so i -- i went in, i found bianca rudolph. ying down here with a shotgun was just near her foot. i touched bianca, she was not breathing. >> and when kakoma got to the cabin, he says larry rudolph was frantic. >> and the husband, larry rudolph, he was standing near to her body, crying, "what am i going to tell my children? what am i going to tell my children. let me just kill myself because my wife, she has committed suicide." i took hold of him by the hands. >> so you grabbed him strong? forcefully? >> yes. i started comforting him. don't kill yourself. >> but kakoma says that larry pulled away from him and then ran towards the kafue river. he wanted to throw himself in the river. i mean, this is a very fast moving river right now. what happens if you throw yourself in this river? >> you die, or you will be eaten by a crocodile. there is a lot of crocodile here. >> now, right there on the kafue river, kakoma says that he asked rudolph about bianca's death a second time. >> "what happened, what has really happened?" and he told