that's not what the bible says. the bible does not teach that.he bible says as long as the earth remains there will be seed time harvest. within the earth right now is enough resources for anything you'll ever need, want or desire. the earth is harvesting waiting for the seed to enter the soul so it will produce a harvest. as long as the earth remains there will be seed time harvest. i was sharing this in a meeting with dr. morris cerullo at the beginning a few months ago and an oil man came up to me david. discovered another layer of oil. when you ask god for a miracle he will always ask you for a seed, always a seed because god requires faith, faith. if you have the faith of a grain of a mustard seed, everything in your life is a seed that you will sow, and when you ask god for a miracle, he will always ask you for a seed, always, always. joshua marched around jericho seven times, seven times on sunday. jesus spat in some clay, put on a blind man's eyes, walk two miles to the poorest and wash a seed. what was the seed of the blind man, obey the

archaeologist and bible scholar authored a book. >> we do not know who wrote matthew, mark and john,se are names attributed in the 2nd century but it was written down early the sources for other books of the bibles when 20 year timeframe. >> there are no first editions of the gospels, originals were lost or destroyed. what survives are scraps of paper written in greek or coptic. >> i studied the beginning of the christian movement in graduate school and professors had cabinets full of gospels i never heard. >> a professor of religion at princeton and author. >> these texts belonged in a monastery and copied and loved and read by the monks but an archbishop of alexandria sent a letter saying you can keep 276 these and the other books he told them to destroy were hidden >> the gospels and their stories of jesus remain hiddenned for 1,600 years and were discovered by a farmer digging for fertilizer. over the centuries, other stories were written about jesus and they were known as gospels and there is another book that tells about jesus. the story of jesus and his virgin birth is in the

well, obviously, a bible would be super-- no, no. not just a bible. a leather-bound, illustrated bible. right. you mean like the ones they're selling in town for £12.50? yes. perfect! excellent! good choice. ten years, eh? mmm. i know i was a tiny bit uncertain when you arrived... you tried to have me sacked repeatedly! yes, well... now i am proud to have a woman vicar. the strangest thing to me... is that you have never been promoted. well, i guess i just never caught the archbishop's eye. probably too shy and petite, aren't i? but imagine if we had met. that magic moment when our eyes locked across a crowded synod, one guilty night of pleasure, and... whoops-a-daisy dangle, bishop grainger. i was actually at university with our new archbishop. no! oh, he is much older than i thought. yes. we were both at cambridge together. quite good friends, actually-- me and god's ultimate representative on earth. so what's he really like, then? a bit of a nutter, actually. good at heart, good man. yeah, i like him, actually. i think he's got good morals, good be

archaeologist and bible scholar authored a book. >> we do not know who wrote matthew, mark and john,se are names attributed in the 2nd century but it was written down early the sources for other books of the bibles when 20 year timeframe. >> there are no first editions of the gospels, originals were lost or destroyed. what survives are scraps of paper written in greek or coptic. >> i studied the beginning of the christian movement in graduate school and professors had cabinets full of gospels i never heard. >> a professor of religion at princeton and author. >> these texts belonged in a monastery and copied and loved and read by the monks but an archbishop of alexandria sent a letter saying you can keep 276 these and the other books he told them to destroy were hidden >> the gospels and their stories of jesus remain hiddenned for 1,600 years and were discovered by a farmer digging for fertilizer. over the centuries, other stories were written about jesus and they were known as gospels and there is another book that tells about jesus. the story of jesus and his virgin birth is in the

and i'm not convinced that the bible says that.'m fairly convinced that the bible says if you reject me, i'll reject you. >> some evangelicals say bell doesn't give enough importance to god's judgment towards sin. >> whenl they talk about god's great love, it's always set against the backdrop of god's righteousness, god's wrath, god's holiness. >> i think what happens for many people is they heard about the judgment before the love. but if you start with the love and the judgment flows out of that, god's love is for us to flourish in god's good world. for us to flourish in god's good world, judgments have to be made. well, that puts judgment in its proper place. >> many evangelicals have been severe in a condemnation of bell. some even call them a heretic. >> we care about people and people who have grown up in the church who have sung the same songs who are being won over by somebody who has produced great videos and is a good communic e communicatcommunicat communicator but is ultimately teaching a false gospel. >> he calls himse

. >> janz: this is the urbino bible. >> safer: for instance, this spectacular bible, commissioned in476 by the duke of urbino... >> janz: ...who wanted to have a very fancy bible. >> safer: there you go. >> janz: and this is what he got. >> safer: library curator timothy janz tells us the bible took years to make by hand, letter by letter, picture by picture. >> janz: decorated with real gold. >> safer: it's just one of the library's 80,000 handwritten manuscripts from the ages before the printing press. add to that those two million or so printed books, christian and pagan, sacred and profane, in virtually every language known to man. there are thousands of prints and drawings, windows on the past. and a huge collection of ancient coins-- this was the money of palestine 2,000 years ago-- including the kind of silver coins judas was said to have been paid to betray christ. here is a map of the world, drawn 50 years before columbus; at its edge, the towers of paradise. and an immediate best seller, columbus' description of his voyage to the new world, published in 1493. in a certain w

i started reading the bible.eveloped a personal relationship with christ even before i received salvation, had gone to prayer meetings, and heard a lot of talk about receiving south carolina -- receiving your lord and savior. one night the lord said i want you to surrounder your life to me. that was a moment of decision. i responded yes, but my life didn't change about a year-and-a-half later when i had a personal encounter with the holy spirit. september 18, 1978. 7 something p.m. holy spirit came into me, and then soon after that convicted me of sin. i got the information about the gospel, repented once and for all before god for my sin, trusted christ and had told him i'd submit me life to him. >> i'm so glad you're with us. i missed that on the program last time. i grew up in new orleans, very healthily catholic. i was pentecostal, but all my friends were catholic. but i always had a lot of questions, still do. so apparently our audience does, too. >> i have some questions as the program goes about the charis

and we are bringing the hebrew bible to life. in four minutes, irk learn ant--i can learn about what is happening in the bible reading. >> and when you say it is for teachers, do you mean specifically teachers in a certain group? >> well, it is pupny. when we--funny. when we started this, we thought the adults would use it. and we call ourself people of the book and these things were for adultings. but, we found out that sunday teachers are using the clips and universities are using god cast. and we have put out this book. >> oh, hold it up. >> so yeah, upstart actually supports upstarters each year. and this is something that we partnered with upstart on consider in the videos, there are pages and pages, and discussions with the video and how to bring the stories to life. >> and how do you get this? >> you can get them on our website. god-cast is spelled with a hyphen. it is a little bit of play on words. >> and that is an english play on judaism. and it's an english adaptation. >> right, we were trying to be funny. but we wante

weird for people is supposed to have access to the bible.they despise a country that gives gay people rights. they despise a country -- a lot of them unfortunately that would elect a black man for president. they feel betrayed by that. about the deficit. the same probably just thought to undeclared wars costing between worse by a good bible believed in the way bar from texas and there was no talk about deficit spending. he coincidently became this huge issue when we let up and saw one of them in the white house. now we've got to do something about it. so let's be honest with people and talk about the fact that not everything that comes packaged wrapped in flags and most of the time they write for my point of view as they talk about in "sex, mom, & god" and "crazy for god" as well as profoundly unpatriotic. as the father of a man who thought and afghanistan and iraq human should rank right right of high school and i read about in the boat because oprah had on me show called keeping faith from a father-son story about love in the united states

why would you believe that creation story in the bible? religions can offer something to people but when they talk about the physical world, they say things that are clearly not right and people tend to -- i always wonder. i mean here is someone who believes literally in the bible. the bible says that should be killed, that children, or the parent should be killed so we have no one left. let you know people who talk about creationism and taking the bible literally tend to ignore that. i don't know how they get around ignoring that, get around those passages in the bible but then they take the other part, the part that talks about the physical universe literally. i don't understand that. i think they should recognize that in some ways. the bible is outdated in the way it looks at the physical universe. >> so, deepak when leonard writes about the mind, the brain, he makes a pretty powerful case that science has unlocked the secrets that are or beyond anybody's imagination even a couple of hundred years ago. how the brain functions, how the u

i wonder if everyone here believes literally in the bible the bible says that homosexuals should be killed, children who disrespect their parents should be killed. we would have no one left. [laughter] but people who talk about creationism and td with the bible literally tended to ignore that. i don't how they get around ignoring that, aren't those passages in the bible but then they took the of the parts and talk about the physical universe literally come and i don't understand that you really think that they should replace it in some ways the bible was just outdated and an outdated we of universe. >> so, deepak, when leonard writes about the mind, the brain, he makes a pretty powerful case that has unlocked secrets that are beyond anybody's imagination even a couple hundred years ago. how the brain functions, how the universe was exploding at this extraordinary case, how we know how it started, we know how it that you can't measure, you can't get a microscope and around, everybody knows it's there but you can't measure it. >> it is very accurate and that is why it is so difficult to actu

you can look into the bible and find justification. i have a 600-page book on my desk called "politics according to the bible." it professes to explain on every public policy issue what the single biblical position is down to which fighter planes the air force should have purchased. the gentleman says it's unbelievable that the air force cut the f-22 rafter program. if that is the decision making progress -- process used by american politicians, we are on very shaky ground. host: bob from los angeles, republican line, welcome to the program. caller: good morning. the separation of church and state does not exist in the united states anymore due to the fact that all backroom deals in the white house, and congress make with all these faith-based groups, faith-based groups and it is amazing how the religious nuts are just going rampant nowadays. it is nauseating how far they are willing to go now. it has no place in politics or law. guest: bob, something else has happened this year that makes things even worse. until herman cain dropped o

and this is a fas sim lee of the -- fas simly of the original bible you can purchase.ing sold across the country, amazon, so get your hands on that. thank you so much, harry, it's been wonderful spending a few minutes with you, we've had a lot of fun times here. definitely come out to the american history museum. log on to myfoxdc for the link and if you want to visit mary pickersgill. >> fascinating. annie, thank you so much. >>> holiday lights, dry christmas trees, electronics, candles can all play havoc with home safety during the holiday season, of course. the nonprofit national fire protection association says that all of these items need to be treated with respect and supervision to avoid a costly and potentially dangerous home fire. greg kaid is the government affairs director at the national fire protection association. he's taken some time out of his schedule to join us with tips on how to make the holidays bright and more importantly safe. happy holidays to you, greg. >> happy holidays to you, allison. >> welcome to the show. so we're talking basically -- or

everyone here is, believes literally in the bible, the bible says that homosexuals should be killed, that children who disrespect their parents should be killed. we'd have no one left. [laughter] but people, you know, people who talk about creationism and taking the bible literally tend to ignore that. i don't know how they get around ignoring that, get around those passages in the bible, but then they take the other parts, the parts that talk about the physical universe literally. and, you know, i don't understand that. i think that they should recognize that in some ways the bible's just outdated, an outdated way of looking at the physical universe. >> so, deepak, when leonard writes about the mind, the brain, he makes a pretty powerful case that science has unlocked secrets that are, were beyond anybody's imagination even a couple of hundred years ago, how the brain functions, how the universe is exploding at this extraordinary pace, how it's -- we know how it started, we know how it'll end. um, you're suggesting that consciousness is this concept can't touch, you can't get a micr

. >> is there a bible down there? you read that much? >> no, it's just there for good luck. at peace? i'm at peace with myself. i have to be. there's a certain time you have to look at reality and say, this is home. this is home. this is home. you can't focus on what's going on out there. can't let it get to you. just have to forget about the outside world and understand that this is a world now. and this is reality. this is home. i can sit here and say, i did what i had to do. regardless of the consequences. can't sit here and kick myself in the ass for it. it happens. >>> next on "lockup: raw" -- >> i'm in here for heat of passion. i caught my wife with somebody. >> the spouse killers. >> i had tried to make it look like a suicide. i mean, my husband had been suicidal. he had a history of being suicidal. >>> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >>> prisons usually aren't associated with churches. but over the years on "lockup," we filmed almost every type of religion there is. and yet, still, on a standard cell search, we found out behind bars, few t

these four gospels would later form a major part of the christian bible and enable his message to be spread all over the world. woman: it's just extraordinary to come here now and see these crowds who come from all over the world, still being drawn by the power of that moment that would change everything. man: this is a very exciting find. we have people who are still so skeptical that they claim there's no nazareth in the first century. but for hundreds of years, scholars have been trying to look behind the jesus of the gospels, the divine christ of faith, to uncover the historical figure, a mediterranean jew who lived and died as a man, and according to his followers, was resurrected from the dead. this is absolutely mind blowing. they knew what we call the laws of nature just as much as we do. they knew that dead people stay dead. in this series, using the very latest archaeological, historical, and theological research, nine of the world's leading biblical experts will reexamine the gospel accounts of jesus' life to uncover the true meaning behind the 2,000-year-old story of jesu

we are changing man as we have known him and has been presented by the koran and by the bible. do you see that coming? and will it sway people more toward religion or away from religion? >> well, i think medicine for the last hundred years has already undergone a lot of change. we don't even have to guess the years coming up. and certainly, as people who live in modern america, we all profit, religious or not we profit from the medical advances. >> now, the pharmaceuticals that come into existence by reason of biotechnology and genetic -- genetic -- the genetic sciences is one thing. but when you start altering genes, you are right at the heart of the essence of being a man, a person, you understand? >> yes. >> that leap is an enormous leap. it is perhaps the most profound change that we will have ever seen in mankind. way beyond anything like the industrial revolution. >> it's not the kind of thing that we'll be able to discuss carefully in a couple minutes on a tv show. >> no, but my question is to you, and i don't want you to take that dodge, if you don't mind my telling you

what you believe the creation of the story in the bible?religions can offer some new people, but when i talk about the physical world, they see things that are clearly not great. i always wonder -- i mean, everyone here believes literally the bible. the bible says should be killed, that children who disrespect her parents should be killed. we would have no one left. people who talk about creationism tend to ignore it. i yalaha they get around ignoring that in passages in the bible. but then i take the other parts bitterly. i don't understand that. i think they should recognize that in some ways the bible is updated the way of looking at >> so, deepak, when leonard writes about the mind, the brain, he makes a pretty powerful case that science has somewhat secrets that are beyond anyone's imagination even a couple years ago. how the brain functions, how the we know how it started. we know how it will end. you're suggesting that consciousness is this concept that you can't measure. you can't see it come you can't touch come you can't get a mic

the bible says the homosexual should be killed. children to disrespect their parents should be killed. we would have no one left. but to talk about creationism to take the bible literally tend to ignore that. i don't know how they get around that but they take the other parts literally. i don't understand that. they should recognize the bebel-- the bible is updated as a way to look at the universe. >> host: when leonard writes about the mind, the brain, he makes a powerful case that science has unlocked secrets that were beyond anybody's imagination. at the extraordinary we're suggesting that consciousness, the concept you cannot measure were see or touch what is there. everybody knows it is there but nobody can measure it. but consciousness is talking right now. you could not understand what the mistakes science is making and it does not explain conscience for now. [laughter] but it here is the basic problem. it is a hard problem. here is a hard problem and imagine the sunset in the notion do see a picture? you can see a red rose

you can look into the bible and find justification. i have a 600-page book on my desk called "politics according to the bible." it professes to explain on every public policy issue what the single biblical position is down to which fighter planes the air force should have purchased. the gentleman says it's unbelievable that the air force cut the f-22 rafter program. if that is the decision making progress -- process used by american politicians, we are on very shaky ground. host: bob from los angeles, republican line, welcome to the program. caller: good morning. the separation of church and state does not exist in the united states anymore due to the fact that all backroom deals in the white house, and congress make with all these faith-based groups, faith-based groups and it is amazing how the religious nuts are just going rampant nowadays. it is nauseating how far they are willing to go now. it has no place in politics or law. guest: bob, something else has happened this year that makes things even worse. until herman cain dropped o

the breast cancer awareness bible also known as the bink bible is being pulled from stores.owned bein the such baptist convention ordered the recall. it helped raise money for a foundation that continues to planned parenthood. >>> would you ask your boss's wife out on a date? would it matter? if her husband happens to be the president of the united states? let's exactly what happened yesterday at a toys-for-tots event in washington. 20-year-old marine lance corporate aaron leaks asked first lady michelle obama to accompany him to the marine corps ball next november. mrs. obama said she's love to, if it's okay with her husband, the commander in chief. leaks is leaving for afghanistan next month. >> all right. cody jackson is just 8 years old but is doing something very patriotic. two or three time as month, he goes atlanta's hartsfield around and thanks the men and women for protecting the country. thank you for protecting us. >> oh, you're very welcome. >> reporter: there was a joke going around that cody would go up to the uso and ask to join. they said, no. you're too youn

against state officials who banned the use of the bible in the school's curriculum.s the school have a good case here, jonah? >> let me tell you something, the only time we should find a bible in a public classroom is if it falls out of little billy's backpack. once you take that bible and put in a teacher's hands and we are going to learn from it and turn to a textbook you are not just violating the first amendment you are stomping ton it so know they don't have a case here. >> greg: it's a charter school it does get public funds. >> that's the caveat, right? now they're defunct charter school and no longer in operation. they want to press the case forward they feel it will have an impact on schools in idaho both private and public. there is a caveat because they can actually -- there is rulings that have come forward that you can have the bible as a form of instruction doing it in a way educational and not indoctrineating or preaching religion. >> historical document. >> how do you do that without also bringing in the book of mormon, koran and every other religious

i think there is the common theme, a bible thumper, jesus freak kind of scenario. and there are people that meet me and they don't get that same vibe. for me, i handle my faith in a certain way. i believe st. francis of asisi said, let them see your faith and when needed, use words. and i think for me, that's how i go about my business. i try to encourage guys. i try to love on guys. i try not to -- i am one of those people. i believe what has hurt people of faith in the game, in general, is the judgmentalism. i think we come across as being holier than thou. i'm the first toll you that i've made tons of mistakes. i am nowhere near perfect. i believe in a god that forgives me and i believe he's done that. >> jeremy, i have less than 60 seconds. as you watch tim tebow who is the most visible of the religious figures going original do you ever look at me and say tim tebow, maybe you are laying it on a little bit heavy. going down to a knee, do you have concerns? >> i don't have concerns about that. like i said, for me, i'm not going to judge either way. i handle my f

saved out in california, with pastor jack hayford many know him out there, and so i started doing bibleies then eventually i went to school, and studied theology, and became a minister. >> tell me about the cd hip hop church volume one what can people expect >> the cd just expresses what the hip hon church is about, it is a basic fore mat for any church any church can have a hip hop church service, basic church service on any given sunday but we will do it middle of the week wednesday, thursday, fridays, and it is a youth ministry, music, youth ministry s we teach kids about jesus and the bible and stuff and do it with the hip hop flair so i put together this cd, that gives an outlet for a lot of the christian rappers around the country there are loads and loads of christian rappers all around this nation who every city has three or four, five christian rappers gospel rappers holy hip hoppers we call them and they need an outlet so i put together this compilation cd many rappers from around the country it is our first one. >> reaching out to kids in a fore mat they can understand you wi

i do a lot of -- i read the bible, go to bible study once a week and go to her, every week.y about seven years ago so i'm sensitive to this stuff. i think they do dump on christians, the media, unfairly. they make fun of it. but in tebow's case, my own personal problem is somebody of faith is that all of these expressions, the public expressions of faith, bumper sticker about love jesus or the thing i said about wearing your jerseys with jesus on the back. i just don't think that christ would have necessarily -- admonished to us use symbols like that. >> eric: glad you brought it up. here is a full screen. some of the other heros that the kids are looking up to. frankly, i'd rather have my son lookal up to tim tebow on his knees making a public display of affection for christianity. and look at lindsay lohan or chris brown or charlie sheen. is it that bad to look up to a christian athlete? >> greg: here is the deal. i don't know if it's the christianity part of it. we always tend to poke fun of people squeaky clean. the character in "toy story" buzz lightyear, that is the po

maybe we need to get him a bible and just let him read the bible. yes, ma'am. thank you, ms. right. you all right? >> i need a transfer. >> you need a transfer? you want a transfer in november to go to population? >> i ain't going to make it. >> you ain't going to make it in six months? you know you ain't going to make it. >> i got a [ bleep ] temper, man. you know me. >> i think he's touched right now. i think five hours from now or this time tomorrow, i think he'll refer back to his mother. i think it kind of got him because of the shakiness in his voice, and i think he realizes she's not truly well. i don't have a problem with him being transferred out. that's not going to happen. he's going to another facility. he's actually closer to his mom here than he would at any other max facility we have. i don't know. he's got to do it mentally. that's where it's happening. >> after meeting with warden culliver, captain kraft will deliver the final decision to marcus as to whether she gets out of ad seg. >> i will go down and talk to marcus and explain to him we're willing to try

i hear the sound of sarcasm, about those who believe in the bible and want prayer in their public schools. america will not unravel... because of the taliban or al-qaeda. america will not come apart because of abortion or the homosexuality. there is one reason america could fail, and that's if america refuse to honor the god of this universe. the god... [applause] dishonor is the seed for loss. dishonor is the seed for tragedy. it's why absalom hung, because of dishonor. i'm asking the holy spirit to teach me the law of honor. i've always been taught to be polite and to be gracious. you can have behavior... from a heart that has no honor. you can learn how to say nicey words to people and still not have a heart of honor. honor protects. honor corrects. honor submits. honor yields. honor is willing to listen. honor. your reaction to an instruction from your boss reveals your understanding of honor. something as simple as opening the car door for a lady reveals your code of honor. something as small as taking care of your elderly mother... is the proof of honor. i can create through honor w

the romans forbade the spread of jewish bible and judaism itself. we come to december 2011. nothing of this magnitude is happening or being proposed to happen. the parents have no other choice but to take their kids out. this is a hindrance of the spread of judaism. i urge you to err on the side of caution so it won't be interrupted. vice president miguel: thank you. >> good afternoon, planning commission. in the 1900's, the first act of blood shed against jews were carried out in the red army. attacks, it was so harsh it was difficult to count the loss of jews. it was determined by the theories and practice of the communist party. religious freedom and wanted to practice judaism. they couldn't thank god. thanks to america policy for religious freedom, we have the hebrew academy, the only school in north california that offers jewish opportunity the opportunity to study jewish culture and how it feels being a jew. it cause many of the friends to live because parents are afraid of the installation. you may ask, i do not believe in san francisco. it takes up to an hour to driv

. >>> the breast cancer awareness bible also known as the pink bible is being pulled from stores. the publishing wing of the southern baptist convention ordered the recall. the group says the bible helped raise money for a foundation that contributed to planned parenthood. many conservative christian groups oppose plan parenthood because of its rule as abortion provider. >>> in the philippines, a tropical storm has left more than 400 people dead and more than 100,000 displaced. hundreds more are still mills. there are reports that an entire village was swept away. government officials say 20,000 people are staying in evacuation centers throughout the region. my colleague johnathan mann spoke with richard gordon of the red cross about the challenges the government faces in helping people. >> this is one quick, deep fix we never expected out of what is considered a storm that brought an awful lot of rain that brought a lot of landslides caused by high tides and swollen rivers. all of the sudden you have a flash flood that suddenly kills people in most of the villages in the area. th

his latest "the relationship bible life lessons on relationships from the inspired word of god." his church, the potter's house in dallas, claims more than 30,000 members. bishop jakes joins me tonight from dallas. it's good to see you. merry christmas, early christmas, to you. >> thank you, don. same to you. it's a pleasure to be with you. >> let's talk about christmass. if i said happy holidays to you, because some people will say happy holidays because they put christmas and new year's together. i don't necessarily mean they're trying to take away christmas, but maybe you do. we've heard so much about the war on christmas in recent years, people complaining that christianity is being shoved aside. do you believe there's a war on christmas? >> i think people are first of all trying to be so politically correct we're afraid to say anything to each other. it's unfortunate. there are groups that are anti any expression of christianity and have been and probably are always will be. though it's disappointing, it's what makes america great, that we have all the diversity in the midst

my question is, i have to place my hand on a bible. is that -- if i were an atheist and i put my hand on a bible and i was ordered to put my hand -- to tell the truth, would you believe me? guest: a name like lynn i would be forced to believe you. most courts have tried to do away with that because of the diversity in this country. if you are a believer but a believer in a different religious system than the judeo- christian face, you might also object to affirming -- the judeo-christian faith, you also might object to a firming truth on a bible. in many state constitutions, you could not run for office unless you were a christian. that has been done away with most recently in states like south carolina and tennessee. we're making progress, but unfortunately when it comes to politicians, they are regressing deeply and very far from the principles of john kennedy, an absolute separation of church and state at the cornerstone of his administration and of his system of how american needs to be governed. host: we will conclude on that poin

but i just believe that's what the bible teaches. and that's how we've chosen -- >> so you feel a bit uneasy. the last person i heard speaking about this was mahmoud ahmadinejad, who's the president of iran who says there are no gay people in iran and it's a terrible sin and curse. victoria, what do you think of all this, the gay marriage debate? could you ever imagine attending a gay marriage between two people who come to your church, for example, if they invited you? >> i think if it was that easy, then we would have figured it out by now. but it's been overthrown. states go for it and then they overthrow it -- >> but accepting an invitation is easy. so would you accept one or not? >> would i accept one? >> two gay people who attend your church invite you to their wedding? >> sure, i would go. >> you would? >> well, you know, if i had time, i would. >> joel? >> if they were friends of mine and i respect them, i would certainly go. >> you would watch two people you think are sinners committing the ultimate sin? >> well, i'm looking