when i went to college and began to study the bible on day one you roif that's not case. that the bible is replete with the most obvious errors and contradictions. of course it is. it is a document written by hundreds of different hands over thousands of years. of course it is full of these inconsistencies and errors. >> when you encounter that in college, how shocking, surprising a shock to the senses was it for you? >> it's like the rug is pulled out from under you. it's like everything you believe is pulled out from under you. i responded like many have, i was duped. fooled into believing in something that isn't true and really rejected my faith. felt spiritually unmoored. and interestingly enough i went to the catholic jesuit university, it was the jesuits who taught me to read the bible in the first place as an historical document, encouraged me to not give up on spirituality, but instead look at some other way of expressing my spirituality. they were ones who introduced me to islam. i knew knowing, never knew anything about the koran, but to look into this and see i

the christian bible has the epistles of st. paul, and americans have our own epistles, the federalists or what we like to call the federalist papers. and their status in the canon is also accidental. the late pauline maier wrote a wonderful book called "ratification: the people debate the constitution 1787-88," the first book-length account of ratification. and she explains that the federalists circulated almost nowhere except new york. the essays were written to procuratification by the new york -- procuratification by the new york legislature. it was by no means a passionate analysis. it is written by hamilton, madison and jay. madison had attended every day of the philadelphia convention, hamilton got there when he could, he was a busy guy. jay was not a delegate at all. maier says the authors of the federalists had no time to show each other their essays beforehanding them to the printer, in fact, sometimes they couldn't even reread their own work before it was put into type. not only that, there's every reason to believe t

there are no mistakes in the bible. the bible is true. we know it is true because of says it is true. we know it is true because the prophecy of the old testament have been fulfilled in the new. tribute of bible without expecting before hand its divine nature is not to read it at all. every word has a meaning. that meaning is fixed. that meaning is not effect by historical contexts. that meaning is never subject to re-examination in light of moral and social change. and those meanings fit together into one divine home. how does that sensibility play out in the contemporary christian thought? well, to begin with, when americans talk about the constitution, they often mean something more than the document itself. there is a biblical canon of constitutional materials. we have the book of genesis, which is the declaration of independence. we have the law and not the constitution that both. but we also have the profit for the founding fathers, a wonderful mythological terms that the historian joe apart recently pointed out that the term was co

he used the bible to appeal to americans and a language they understood to people much more bible literate in those days. the great story is gerald ford going on air force one at one point and asking for a bible. he was told that there was no bible on air force one. so he said there should be. there was subsequently after his request. but since then there's always a bible on air force one because of the joe ford request. >> joe ford told bob novak at one point he had read the twilight of the presidency by george reedy. what was the significance of that? >> reedy talked about the weakness of the presidency at that time and how some of the previous overextensions. ford took from that book not that presidential power should be expanded which others had tried to do, including nixon and johnson. he thought there may be should be a more modest approach to the presidency. novak was struck by ford who was not quite president but clear at vbs when nixon cloaked to resigning, he was struck by a more modest approach in his willingness to shrink the power of the presidency rather than expand it. >> ri

ned, there's more to the bible than blood and gore.r see a film about a liberal european wizard school or the latest sexcapade of miss ashley judd. well, i don't like this movie, and i'm going to boycott your financier, mr. burns. oh, really? and what will you use instead of nuclear power? solar. hydroelectric. a mix of conservation and wind. who told you about those? a talking tree in a commercial. ( sighs ): well, i know when i've been licked. sorry, ned. this movie will never be seen again. dis-embroider the crew jackets. we can still send them back. mm-hmm. welcome to jock center! tonight, the clipper and the stripper, a jones that's chipper, and did joe torre shoot flipper? but first, professional sports continues its downward march into the gutter. ( chuckling ) this is either about me or steroids. thanks to professional jerk-ass homer simpson, athletes are now taunting and boasting just to get on our highlight reel. disgusting. now, here's our highlight reel! art comes from pain. your pain. beware the wrath of kwan! oh, yeah, ch

it was judy from the bible.ou got. >> [ sighs ] >> i got something for you. >> what is it? >> oh... just an old watch... old watch found in a fire. hadn't worked for over 75 years. >> uncle curtis, you really give sucky presents. >> actually, jazzy, it's not a present. it's kind of a fire chief's memento. you see, my fire chief gave it to me, and his fire chief gave it to him, and et cetera. you get the point. it's just a little something to remind us who we serve and what we do and how important and how dangerous our job is. >> wow. >> there you go, chief. >> you deserve it. he's proud of you, and i'm proud of you. >> yes. yes. i'm proud of you, too. we should go and celebrate. >> oh! let's go out for ice cream. >> yes. >> oh, yeah. ice cream. yeah. good. jazzy is buying. >> curtis! >> baby, she's the only one with money. >> ha!

. >> you would have to say take the bible for that. i mean, the bible, apart from religion is great literature. the new testament particularly and even parts of the old testament. i've always felt that the book of ecleezeyasties for example was some of the most eloquent writing that i've ever seen and it always lifted you. so i would pick that as a book. now, among others, hard to tell. among current authors that i read who write historicically i would say the books by paul johnson appeal to me a great deal. he is a mearvellluss writer. a geopolitical thinker. and many people of course remember his later books. but the one that is my favorite is his one opt british, the offshore islanders. just a marvelous book. not only great prose. it's great poetry as well. >> what did you find out about bible reading on the part of presidents? >> i have a lot in there. the bible has been very important to many of our founders and presidents. james madison studied hebrew so he could understand it better and the context of what was going on with the

i do because in a way it's my bible it's my. go to for all things about fashion and budgets of western fashion the book is specially american centric i'm very proud of american design though everything that we do in this country goes back to western europe it does. and what's so interesting about western europe and i'm going back hundreds of hundreds of years is there was always a correlation between what people wore and commerce and you see a constant change in evolution in clothing and it's a reflection of its of society culture economics politics the clothes of the roman empire the glory war like church well you know we were really talking about a basic piece of cloth that the drapes are either around your torso or over your shoulder and i was in fashion then it was definitely in fashion and everyone will white it looks like will it was an unbleached cotton so very easily accessed and you didn't have to worry about dyeing it but we see roman emperors and scarlet reds and purples like we're wearing the color of royalty but tho

you would often do in your bible.so by the 19th century, like can my family bible we have a page that has a family record like it's printed and you're supposed to write in all these things. of bibles and become printing, they begin printing these pages as a form you fill out because the people used to use a blank page -- what's unusual for jane is she counted her own little book, made her own little book out of it. other people do that. she wasn't the only person to do that. i've never seen anybody call it a book of ages. the phrase seems to be her own. it was used liturgically in the book of the dead. so it's kind of a devotional form rather than pure chronicle. but yes, people would very often do that. she offers prayers. we didn't look at these together. it's not just a list. that's another purpose, which is are interesting. she stopped using it in 1767, long before she dies because she just can't stand it anymore. her favorite daughter dies and that's when she writes what have i more? she closes the book and that'

of what the bible says. >> about right. to take license with these. all we have is a couple of passages in the bible to tell us what happened and there's no way of knowing everything. so you have to fill in a lot of blanks and that's what we did. >> we will be sure to review it on "insomniac theater" when it comes out. >> "insomniac theater." >>> a new role for jamie foxx >>> and sexy sofia vergara like you have never seen her before. next in "the skinny." >> announcer: "world news now" continues after this from our abc stations. ♪ skinny ♪ so skinny >>> welcome to "the skinny." and we're starting with quite an incredible career move for jamie foxx. he is set to play martin luther king junior in a bio pic by director oliver stone. he is no stranger to bio pics, by the way. he won an oscar for ray charles in the movie "ray." i'm looking forward to that one. >>> "glee will end next season. the next season of "glee" will be its last. this is in variety.com this article. wow, in setting the end date, so far in advance the lates

. >> reporter: on a deeper level, it explores how religion and the bible were used to justify slavery. >> and that servant which knew his lord's will, which knew his lord's will and prepared not himself, prepared not himself and neither according to his will shall be beaten with many stripes. >> that is scripture. >> i am the god of abraham, the >> >> reporter: and he lives in obscuri obscurity. >> no thanks to you. >> and it perpetuates evil. >> and he is a slave -- >> under the circumstances. >> under the circumstances he is a slaifr, and when you go to the boots, you luxuriate -- >> i will not despair, and i will offer up my talents to master ford, and i will keep myself aftforded opportunity. >> ', you think that he is your opportunity? you think that he does not know that you are more than you suggest, but he does nothing for you, nothing. you are no better than prized livestock. >> reporter: the degradation and abuse that solomon and the fellow slaves suffer makes it difficult to watch. but the producer steve mcqueen says it is necessary. >> it is one you cannot separate. it is

the bible you have to know the difference. lot of people don't know scripture. they read scripture literally. solomon and gomorrah is about positives by tallet. welcoming the stranger. in the irony very strip tougher that people fight over to exclude homosexuals is probably the very scripture that calls them in to embracing all the gay, lesbians bisexual, transgender, the stranger in their midst. >> in addition to bible study the open and affirming committee put together panel discussions, videos and movies. >> we have a man in the congregation i think he's close to 90 and he was at every event, every film, every panel discussion and i remember specifically a film we showed in august and he turned to me and thanked me for doing this and said that it just had really opened his eyes and his mind and his heart. >> there are times when i have kids over the years who were struggling with their identity. there were a couple that i look back and i think, we lost them to suicide. and i think it's because society is so cruel. and i wan

because i know what the bible says. the bible tells us -- the bible is clear.-- my good friend nick would agree with me. psal1:22 -- pray for the peace of jerusalem, and those who do will prosper. god bless america god bless you. thank you very much. god bless you. ♪ ♪ [journey's "don't stop believin'"} >> next, q and a and then at 7:00 a.m., your calls and comments on "washington journal. -- "washington journal." both the house and senate will be gaveling in today. this was the week they were to go back to their districts, but with the october 17 deadline on the debt ceiling, they will both be in session. the house returned at noon eastern. the first roll call votes are expected after 6:30 p.m., and the senate is in at 2:00 issue -- eastern and they will take up two judicial nominations. watch live coverage of the house on c-span, the senate on c-span2 , or online at www.c-span.org. >> we want to know how the government shutdown is affecting you. >> make your short video message about the shutdown and upload it from your mobile device. see what others are tell

most people would have a bible. people get the records all the time. you often do it in your bible. by the 1th century. in my family bible we have a page that is a family record. it's a printed piece. like a blank and supposed to write in the things. bibles then become printing and print the page as a a form. that's because people used to use the blank pages. paper was not something people had available. what is unusual for jane she did her own little book. but ore people do that. she's not the only person to do that. the phrase seems to be really her own. it's used in the to mean a book of the dead. it's "devotion" form rather than a pure chronicle. but yes, people very often do that. she offers prayer but we didn't look at these together. t not just a list. and that's another purpose that she put this which is very interesting. she stops using it in 1767 long before she die. was she can't stand it anymore. that's why the pages pages are blank. her favorite daughter dies and that's when she writes what i have more and she closes the book and that's it. there's a woman way in the ba

that sounds like thomas paine he is angry and passionate calling christ names and talking about the bible being lithology and some of his friends knew he had political aspirations in do this was dangerous while one french threat in the fire while another helped him to pull out but he would walk around with the bible just to pick a fight as the village atheistic and people don't know this was a phase something that happened to him and part of who he was the thought he would never be successful in politics because as some moved away from christianity shaping the culture you would not break into the upper crust into their christianity at the foundation but there is another issue that for me are two of the most fascinating issues of the link in psychology. i hope we never lose the memory that lincoln fatah horrible depression in his life people said he was the saddest man they had ever seen and dripped melancholy when he walked. his mother was'' possessed of a particular spirit of sadness. " end quote. so you can find books on this subject said we had the lincoln we would not have had him wit

where's our bible? - where's our bible? - where's our damn bible? i don't have enough facts to support my argument. - clearly. - but i'm gonna find a bible... and then i'm gonna come back, and i'm gonna school you sons of bitches, okay? because you guys are trying to confuse me. you're trying to confuse me, because that's what god's work... ah, uh. oh, he's getting himself all worked up, huh? yeah. very worked up. very worked up. you know, i always thought i'd be married by now. - what? - what? yeah. well, i don't know. i... all that talk about marriage and everything-- it's got me thinking about myself and my situation, and i guess i always thought i'd be married by now. what the (bleep) are you talking about? frank, i'm talking about maureen ponderosa. oh, my god, dude, don't start in on this. maureen ponderosa was my girlfriend in tenth grade, and we were so in love. you remember maureen ponderosa, right, charlie? i remember her dead tooth, dude. what? dead tooth? she didn't have a dead tooth. you guys remember her brother bill, bill ponderosa? o

evangelicals are seen to be lunatics and crazy bible thumpers and catholics are said the same way. but we are people who have a strong faith in god. and we want the world to understand why we have that faith and i think that is what the pope wants to do >> all right. our behind the headlines segment is celibacy and the catholic church. mary johnson was a nun who spent 20 years in mother teresa's missionaries of charity order. she resigned and is a married atheist and writer live in the southwest. we spoke with her about her fascinating and daring book, "an unquenchable thirst" >> on the one hand we were trying to help the poor. we were feeding them, sheltering them, comforting them. but on the other, mother teresa understood that suffering was what brought a person close to god. and she felt like the poor were closer to god because they were suffering more. >> mary johnson joined the order to help the poor of calcutta, india. instead her time was riff inwith inner conflict. mother teresa taught nuns not just to abstain from sex but avoid touching anyone for any reason whenever poss

bible good, education baaaad. wait a minute, what if a student wants a loan to go to bible school school? brain freeze! but, of course, msnbc sometimes asks as well but sarcastically. >> wisconsin has been losing jobs for six straight months since walker's budget went into effect. ask yourself the question is that a good thing or a bad thing. >> we've seen for the record 21 straight months of private sector growth. mr. romney is that a good thing or a bad thing. if the government today stops a pennsylvania pool from kicking out black kids is in a a good thing or bad thing? >> jon: the answer to all three are what are you (bleep) stupid? but cnn, they genuinely seem not to know. good thing, bad thing? they really don't know. so much so that sometimes they have to use their phone-a-friend lifeline. >> good thing or bad thing to shut the federal government down for a few days. seven in ten americans say a bad thing. nearly six in ten americans say it's a bad thing. nearly 4-10 say it would be a good thifnlg remember

bibles burned. as a result of that and the enlightenment influence of philosophically you have a turning against christianity. thomas paine war hero for writing, as he did, and citing, you know, with common sense much of the war. he writes a book "age of reason." lincoln loves it. there's a french scholar who write about the nation and how silly religion is and cast out. lincoln loves it. because he had a crass czar -- sarcastic loves burns and could codo the ideal scottish broking. he also the great self-education gift he had that we hear about early age walking five miles a day to borrow a book. it was wonderful in term of facing him intelligent -- intent julie. he essentially started drinking the water which were liberal. the issue here is that lincoln is i think so angry at religion in general. that he not only ash absorbs this. he goes further. his friends member all of his their lives that lincoln hated religion. that lincoln spoke of a price used the crass word for that. many had times when h

that's not the same kind of bible evangelicals would cherish.inally, benjamin franklin said rebemidji-walker is great if it makes us a better nation. they were not about propagating a narrow conception of religion. so therefore, they don't understand the wall of separation of church and state, because they want to christianize everybody who believes what they believe, and demonized those who don't. it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of democracy. go back and read your history texts. >>> our next question is from mary. if ted cruz gave up politics, do you think he would have a viable career as a stand-up comedian? let me quote the late great whitney houston. hell to the yes. stick around, the rapid response panel is next. >>> i'm mandy drury with your cnbc market wrap. the dow losing 54 points today, the s&p down by 8 and the nasdaq falling 22. the cost of imported goods rose .2% in september, led by higher fuel costs. average college tuition rose another 2.9% this year. however, it's still the smallest increase in more than 30 yea

isthe way it is structured references to many other areas in the talmud, the bible, other books. you can hyperlink to see the not be that you would able to really see otherwise. thisthink it's great that is able to blend into a person's day-to-day life and come into the fabric of his day-to-day activities. >> next time you are frittering away time, you could be doing something a whole lot more to it. that brings today to a close and you can carry on watching bbc world news on our 24-hour channel if you look on your listings. if you would like to reach me at the bbc team, you can find us on twitter. thanks so much for watching. i will see you tomorrow. >> funding of this presentation is made possible by the freeman foundation, newman's own foundation, giving all profits to charity and pursuing the common good for over 30 years, union bank, >> at union bank, our relationship managers work hard to know your business, offering to nurture new ventures and help provide capital for key strategic decisions. we offer expertise and tailored solutions in a wide range of industries. what can

different part of the bible true meanings. my grandpa stopped in the middle of the dialogue and said i want you to meet him. he's run for the senate. that was many years ago. as you can imagine. anyway, the campaign changed our family because of john kennedy making west virginia a battle dwrownd. we were catholic, and knowing it was going to be a big part of the election. could he break the religious barrier. i never thought there was a barrier in my little town. everybody works in the coal mines and my father and grandfather had a grocery store and furniture store. i never thought religion of a friend. my methodist friends or baptist friends. we were all the same. anyway, that was a big thing. it got me -- i'll never forget. one night we were watching the news or something. they were talking about this if john kennedy got elected the pope would run the country. i looked at my mom and said i don't think they know the catholics they know. and so with that being said, that was put to rest. my uncle became a big part of the john

isthe way it is structured references to many other areas in the talmud, the bible, other books. you can hyperlink to see the not be that you would able to really see otherwise. thisthink it's great that is able to blend into a person's day-to-day life and come into the fabric of his day-to-day activities. >> next time you are frittering away time, you could be doing something a whole lot more to it. that brings today to a close and you can carry on watching bbc world news on our 24-hour channel if you look on your listings. if you would like to reach me at the bbc team, you can find us on twitter. thanks so much for watching. i will see you tomorrow. >> funding of this presentation is made possible by the freeman foundation, newman's own foundation, giving all profits to charity and pursuing the common good for over 30 years, union bank, >> at union bank, our relationship managers work hard to know your business, offering to nurture new ventures and help provide capital for key strategic decisions. we offer expertise and tailored solutions in a wide range of industries. what can

because the rapture isn't even in the bible.ion. >> let's go back to our first trender. what does pat robertson want me to eat? >> clinkers? >> i don't know what that one is. that must be new on the market. >> i -- let's tell michele bachmann, it's the rapture but not the end of the world. >> great to have you with us tonight. thank you. >>> still ahead, a furloughed worker in ohio has a direct message for john boehner. he joins us live. but first -- >> i continue to believe that citizens united contributed to some of the problems we're having in washington right now. >> i believe i said that on this program a few days ago. pumping up the rich our rapid response tanl tackles a new supreme court case. they heard oral arguments today that could be citizens united on steroids. next, i'm taking your questions, live. "ask ed live" coming up on "the ed show" on msnbc. we're right back. (announcer) scottrade knows our clients trade and invest their own way. with scottrade's smart text, i can quickly understand my charts, and spend more

but he was the guy who would walk around salem with a bible just to argue against it, just to pick a fight. again, the village atheist. and people often don't know that this was a phase in lincoln's life. this was something that happened to him. this was something that was part of who he was. his friends feared that he would never be successful in politics because still -- though some were moving away from traditional christianity -- christianity shaped the culture, and you weren't going to break into the power zone, the upper crust unless you at least made a nod to the foundation of the country. there's another issue here that is, for me, these are two of the most fascinating issues in loin con's psychology, and then i'll move on a little more rapidly with the story of his faith. i hope we never lose the memory that lincoln fought horrible depression in his life. friends said he was the saddest man they'd ever seen. one said he dripped melancholy while he walked. his mother had been, quote, possessed of a particular spirit of sadness. and so lincoln welcome, fine, fine books on this

creationism is based system logically on its belief in the bible. its starting point is an interpretation of the genesis text, and then there's some kind of deduction from that to what we ought to see in the natural world. it's also an idea about the age of the earth, the particular interpretation of the genesis text that says that the earth is very recent, the universe is very young, and the theory of intelligent design is not a neary about the age of the -- theory about the age of the earth, it's about whether the design is real or marrily a-- merely apparent, and it's not the biblical text or any religious document, it's the evidence we find in biology and in related fields. so it's an inference from biological evidence, not a deduction or interpretation of scripture. >> host: is intelligent design, as you've portrayed it, taught in public schools? >> guest: not very often. i think we have actually discouraged people from trying to bring intelligent design into public schools at the secondary level, high school level and below for the simple reas

used as the -- is a melee word for god and used in christian service and also used in melee language biblese is a concern that this decision could term the bases for other groups to argue that the word allah should not even be allowed to be useed in churches or even be allowed to be used in the language bible. and that is a main concern of the christian community here. now, church leaders have already come out to say that no matter what -- despite this decision they want to continue to be able to use the word allah in their church services. >> what would happen to somebody say i was in malaysia and being a christian and i used the word allah what would happen to me, would there be a punishment? >> reporter: no there isn't a punish. as such. because as i -- as i said, this decision is actually just -- if we look at it in my more restrictive sense it was an action brought by the catholic newspaper, the harold because there was a ban put in place to say that they wouldn't be allowed to use this word in their newspaper. it's unclear if this is a decision that can be extended to church services

but late that same night, he then stumbled on a bible passage that seemed to him a sign from god. i don't know how your education in these things holds up, but i personally found this super helpful. the story of david and king saul from the hebrew bible, david is the one with the red hair, going to replace king saul, but when david gets a chance to kill him and take over, he orders a soldier not the kill him and lets saul remain in power. in that story of the old testament coup delayed was the one that congressman sutherland said, he said it to the "washington post," he said boehner's way, and based on that inspiration, he decided it wouldn't be right to oppose boehner, so boehner stood by while the republicans cast their vote in that speaker's election. >> gomr. brown of georgia. alan west of florida. huerskamp. cantor, jones. pierce. yoho, cantor, massey, amash. >> now, that spectacle, calling out the names, was something they never endured before, he won barely by six votes, including the vote from the congressman who based his vote on the bible story. that is how close john bo

. >> the bible also says the poor will always be with us.also says if you don't work, you don't eat. more than that, the role of citizens, of christians of humanity is to take care of each other but not for washington to steal money from those in the country and give it to others in the country. we're not going down that road anymore. >> never mind a fincher, a farmer elected from tea party support himself collected $1.5 million in 2012 farm subsidies. back in june house farm bill went down in flames because it didn't cut enough from food stamps to satisfy conservative appetites. that prompted republicans led by eric cantor to double the cuts. along with cuts republicans seem to have lost empathy gene while democrats and economists see the growth of the food stamp program as a natural result of recession and high unemployment republicans see food assistance as parasitic abuse of taxpayer dollars. they ground these in accusations of food stamp fraud. foot stamp fraud accounts for 1% of the program, far less than the fraud involved in farm sub

you have to think in some kind of absolute sense that would be consistent with the teachings of the bible is also biblical scripture about how you handle your money. $24 billion at the drop of a hat is thrown away because of what, a political pointing? >> that's right. >> are they not hypocrites? >> they're totally hypocrites. i know i'll be getting the hit on our twitter feeds tonight. >> you cannot claim fiscal responsibility and be responsible for this. >> every day the amount of money that was lost. you also can't call yours the jobs, jobs, jobs party by laying people off. this whole exercise in stupidity and using something as beautiful as any kind of scripture, it's just more proof of how it can be manipulated to serve anyone's cause. >> it is manipulated, that's a very profound point. and it just permeates throughout the entire conservative movement with their organizations. tony perkins of the family research council says it's not government's job to take responsibility for the poor. >> we're hearing a lot of rhetoric that if you really wanting to be a faithful christian, what you