so what did joe biden do?threw the intel community under the bus. >> when people in the consulate first saw armed men attacking, there were no protesters. why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community. >> andrea: wait until you hear the white house spin this afternoon. that's up next on "the five." ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. cymbalta is fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain. one non-narcotic pill a day, every day, can help reduce this pain. tell your doctor right away if your mood worsens, you have unusual changes in mood or behavior or thoughts of suicide. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. cymbalta is not approved for children under 18. people taking maois or thioridazine or with uncontrolled glaucoma should not take cymbalta. taking it with nsaid pain relievers, aspirin, or b

when biden interrupted him, ryan gaining jabs at obama. >> i know you felt positive towards biden tell me why. >> correct. i thought biden had a lot of good knowledge. a lot of experience behind him. i thought he spoke eloquently. i felt he could be president of the united states. i liked him. >> do you -- what was it about biden's performance that barack obama didn't do? >> it was, go ahead. >> he was passionate and he didn't sound scripted. >> you felt that obama did? >> yes. >> now... you know he had a command of almost all of the issues and almost all of the -- anything that came up, he seemed to have a natural flow to it. >> compare biden's performance with obama's a week ago? >> yes. obama seemed distracted like he didn't want to be there. biden acted like there is no place in the world he'd rather be than right there. >> biden had no passion when explaining everything then obama did last -- . >> he felt comfortable. >> he's a good debateor. excellent. >> he didn't use a teleprompter to get a point across. >> okay. i do the jokes here. >> okay. >> what about ryan? what ryan had t

mirror image of biden.vice president spent third most time talking about the problems in the arab world for the congressman from wisconsin. number three, entitlements, such as medicare, social security. that's our team of timers actually scored it. unlike the last debate, what was also striking, how similar two candidates were to the time they devoted to key issues, not because they agreed, instead because for every punch, an equally sharp counterpunch. some examples, each different almost completely. but at times, around 5:00 each were nearly identical. same on foreign policy side on iran, again, disagreement, and again about equal time. 4:30 each. likewise on ending the war in afghanistan. the vice president and congressman ryan spoke for nearly the same length of time about 5:00. however, what they said could not be more different. like night and day. correspondents standing by with each side. stay with us. one is for a clean, wedomestic energy future that puts us in control. our abundant natural gas is

when he thanked joe biden, biden was smirking. i thought that came across as very disrespectful and symbol symbolic of the way that joe biden handled the night. on the substance, i was struck by the same thing with respect to libbia. it seemed that vice-president was criticizing the intelligence community, in some ways, by not giving them as much information as we thought. he blamed all the false statements of the obama administration on the intelligence community and seemed to raise questions about the confidence of the intelligence community and in a discussion about iran, he said, we will know when they go to -- when they go to a break-out for the bomb. it seems to me, there is major tension between those two statements on the one hand, suggesting they are not competent enough to know what happened on the ground in libya but saying they will know for sure if iran decides to go for the bomb. >> on domestic policy, we heard joe biden do what his boss, barack obama, did not, hammer the 47% comoant that mitt romney said and was tal

it was the aggressive joe biden, democrats wanted and it was an aggressive joe biden they got. >> it been done couple of times >> it has never -- >> [ inaudible ] >> oh, now you are john kennedy. it shouldn't be surprising for a guy who says 47% of americans are unwilling to take responsibility for their own lives. >> biden was caught smirking smiling, and even laughing through much of the debate. not sure how you could not laugh because of the lies coming from ryan. according to the twitter verse biden's most popular remark of the night was when he asked ryan now you are jack kennedy. that lead to more than 7,000 tweets per minute. we will have more on the debates coming up on bill press and on our current news updates. join us in our chat room current.com/bill press. see you there. [ dennis' voice ] i bet he's got an allstate agent. they can save you up to 30% more by bundling your policies. well his dog's stupid. [ dennis' voice ] poodles are one of the world's smartest breeds. are you in good hands? [ ryan ] it doesn't get any better than endless shrimp at red lobster. you can mi

medicare, biden. >> chris? >> biden. passion resonates probably more than ryan and ryan didn't do what he had to in terms of undercutting vice president biden. >> i agree biden rallied the base with his behavior, but i think he lost a lot of independents and moderates based on his disrespectful behavior. >> who looked more presidential? >> biden. ryan didn't look ready for primetime. >> chris? >> biden. >> ryan was respectful and factual. >> our friday political power panel after an exciting night last night, right? all enjoyed the debate, i thought. thank you to all of you. >> thanks. >>> here is a live look at the space shuttle "endeavour" wrapping up his final journey to a los angeles museum. the spacecraft is used to travel at warped speeds. early this morning it crawled just two miles an hour through the streets of los angeles. we know how bad the traffic is. 400 trees and lots of traffic lights were taken down to make room for the five-story tall shuttle what a sight that must be. >> if you go with ryan, what he be

joe biden versus joe biden. ryan barely showed up. he passed the threshold and did fine but if you like sneering attacks from this kind of senator, you're going to love it. >> wow. >> sneering attacks from this pompous old senator. >> but if -- >> not a joe biden fan. >> i am a joe biden fan. if you think joe biden is over the top you're going to not like it. you saw the reactions kind of split down the middle. >> if you think -- every seniority yen human being thinks joe biden is over the top. >> joe biden -- >> hold on. >> he came in with this cultural expectation, courtesy of the onion he was going to take his shirt off and rather up the podium. like he has a lot of room to run. >> i don't think statesman is a word you particularly associate with vice president biden. he was not statesman-like yesterday. he wasn't supposed to be. it's not the training that he got to go out there. he was going to go out there and beat up romney and he did that. >> by the way, the fact that the republicans are making a big deal about whether he was s

so what did joe biden do?threw the intel community under the bus. >> when people in the consulate first saw armed men attacking, there were no protesters. why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community. >> andrea: wait until you hear the white house spin this afternoon. that's up next on "the five." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> dana: many americans are still trying to figure out what the administration knew about the libya terror attack. joe biden started out of the gate last night. >> what were you first told about the attack? why were people talking about protests? when people in the consulate first saw armed me there were no protesters? why did that go on? >> we were told by the intelligence community, the intelligence community told us that as they learned more facts about exactly what happened. they changed. we weren't told they wanted more security. we did not know they wanted more security. by the way, at the time, we were told exactly, said what the intelligence community told us they knew. >> dana: b

smiles and the biden smirks and the biden interruptions will be a juicy topic for discussion. >> rosemark hall snrin. >> halperin? >> well, i am mostly going to paraphrase what rich lowry just said, there are two things that clearly come out of this, one is the detrimentally base is going to be pleased that they thought, saw the somebody fighting on their behalf and being aggressive on a lot of big issues that the president did not prosecute in the last debate. two, i think it is clear that with paul ryan will come out of it having a lot of favorable impressions and for a lot of people the impression he is ready to be president if that were required. the big open question is, how much will this debate be defined with the romney campaign's efforts and willingness on the part of the weed by joe biden's verbal and visual ticks which could end up this is all it is remembered for, even if that is dominant on cable and in comedy shows, which i think it certainly will be, i don't think this debate is really going to change much about the trajectory of where the race is, it is all going to lo

first, biden. breanna keilar is joining us from the debate hall. >> we're out there doing a walk through of this debate hall this afternoon. the vice president retired to a home not far from center college. he reviewed some of his notes. got in a nap or rest i'm told by one source for about an hour or so and he had dinner with his family and a team of aides. he's been getting ready for this night for months, but most of the prep took place the last few days during an intensive debate camp. as cnn first brought you exclusively, these pictures show joe biden practicing for debate night. >> i would describe him as method cal. he always prepares. the thing he prepares for the most the political debates. >> biden spent the last four days at this sheridan hotel in wilmington, delaware. the set-up shows a ballroom complete with a similar blue backdrop, red carpet and table shaped like the one he'll share with his republican rival. just like in these photos, biden will be seated on the the left. paul ryan

>> biden: it means it is simply inaccurate. >> ryan: it is irish. >> biden: it is. the secretary of defense has made it -- you can't walk anything back. we will not allow the iranians to get a nuclear weapon. what netenyahu held up there was when they get to the point where they can enrich uranium enough to put it into a weapon. they don't have enough to put it into a weapon. iran is more isolated today than when we took office. sit totally's a littled -- [overlapping speakers] >> ryan: thank heavens we had these sanctions in place. it is in spite of their opposition -- >> biden: oh god. >> ryan: all i have to point to are the results. they are four years closer to a nuclear weapon -- >> can you tell the american people what another war in the middle east -- >> biden: they are closer to be able to get enough material to put in a weapon -- >> you are acting a little bit like they don't want one. >> biden: i didn't say that. facts matter martha. all of this loose talk about all they have to do is get to a american amount of enriched uranium and they have a weapon not

he learned biden's gestures.iden's ability to be very bomb pastic and loud on the stump and then suddenly go to a dramatic whisper. the romney campaign was constantly buffeting ryan with these types of examples of biden's debate skills trying to prep him for it. and one of the things that the romney campaign continues to say over and over again is that the format in which the candidates are seated next to each other isn't going to lend itself to the type of major league brawl that so many people have been talking about because it's so hard to call somebody a name when you're literally touching knees beneath the table (i don't have any problem doing that. >> yeah. joe biden, maybe -- >> there is a concern it won't happen. >> bill: you know that. if you're a pinhead, your a pinhead. if you're across the room or here, it's the way it is. henry, i want to talk to you about the little dustup you had with jay carney about libya. i used it in my talking points memo. we were laying out the time line and how the administr

>> biden: it means it is simply inaccurate. >> ryan: it is irish. >> biden: it is.he secretary of defense has made it -- you can't walk anything back. we will not allow the iranians to get a nuclear weapon. what netenyahu held up there was when they get to the point where they can enrich uranium enough to put it into a weapon. they don't have enough to put it into a weapon. iran is more isolated today than when we took office. sit totally's a littled -- [overlapping speakers] >> ryan: thank heavens we had these sanctions in place. it is in spite of their opposition -- >> biden: oh, god. >> ryan: all i have to point to are the results. they are four years closer to a nuclear weapon -- >> can you tell the american people what another war in the middle east -- >> biden: they are closer to be able to get enough material to put in a weapon -- >> you are acting a little bit like they don't want one. >> biden: i didn't say that. facts matter martha. all of this loose talk about all they have to do is get to a american amount of enriched uranium and they have a weapon, not

that now goes to joe biden.great bill clinton tape. there really is something to be said for jumping down. >> bill clinton jumping up and down? >> stephanie: yes. >> and the guy has had bypass surgery, can you calm it down a notch, bill. but exactly, he was amazing. who are you going to believe me or your lying eyes. joe biden did everything you predicted, stephanie. you predicted this was going to happen. >> stephanie: i said he is going to make mincemeat out of him. >> you did. and who eats mincemeat anyway? >> stephanie: i don't know. >> here is what is so interesting about the whole process. is you get these moments. there was one moment late in the debate, and you talked about it earlier on where they got into choice, they got into abortion and here was paul ryan saying our ticket believes absolutely we don't want unelected judges making this decision. wouldn't you have loved to have a tape of mitt romney saying sure i would love a court to overturn roe v. wade. the unelected judges can make this decision i

did joe biden -- joe biden do what joe biden had to do last night?e you, as a washington guy that's been around this for a long time, did you find it off-putting, or do you think it was called for? >> i think joe was joe. and when you're yourself, it usually helps in politics. look, it's going to lend itself to some great scenes on "saturday night live" and other late-night comedians. i agree with mark halperin on that. but i don't think it was like al gore in 2000, which mark will remember. al gore looked arrogant and condescending and elitist. what joe was, joe was scrappy at times, rude, feisty. i think that's what he needed to do last night. i think he could have done without a few smirks. he could have done without a few interruptions. but i don't think it really hurt him. and i think when you talk about style, joe, one of the things we ought to consider is, as barack obama goes into that now very important debate next tuesday, the format's a town hall. and that makes it a little bit harder for him to be tough and challenging romney because you

>> well, again i like to see joe biden be joe biden.lso love the fact that joe biden happens to be in command of the facts. joe biden has been to afghanistan, many, many times. paul ryan seems to read off a note card on it. that should scare the heck out of people heard him commit us to have american troops to do what the afghans should do. paul ryan is person i respect for having detailed, in his mind, budget but he sure hasn't told us anything about it. and he didn't do anything to dispel the pretty clear notion that is is one of most extreme members of congress. talk about what happened in the debate last night. bill: let me ask you a different way if i can. would you have liked to have seen, because i know clearly you stand by joe biden's performance last night that is plain and clear to see. >> that's right. bill: do you want to see president obama be a little more like joe biden? >> president obama and joe biden are partners who are very, very different people. that is one of the good things american people get. they get both of t

biden's interrupt. look at how biden interjected himself when ryan was speaking. >> here is the problem. they got caught with their hans in the cookie jar turning medicare in a piggy bank for obama care and their octoberiary one out of the six hospitals and nursing homes are going to go out of business as a result of this. they are projected to lose the current medicare advantage they can. more signed up for medicare advantage after the change. >> mr. vice-president, i know you are under a lot of durress to make up for lost ground, but i think people will be better served if we don't keep interrupting each other. >> by one count. 83 times biden interrupted. how effective was that as a strategy. >> it was effective paul. there might have been 25 interruptions . somebody counted. 83 interruptions and joe biden spoke three-quarters of the time and that means he effectively destroyed every statement that paul rhine tried to make. biden came across as a bar room bore but in the r room you can say thanks old-

i don't necessarily buy this is biden being biden.2008 against sarah palin that he can bring it in. it seems like there was something intentional he was trying to communicate. do you have a sense of what that might be and what kind of impression do you think that made on the audience. >> placing myself inside the coaching session for the vice president, i think this was an attempt to swing the pendulum dramatically in the other direction. the president had been a facial flat liner that i think they decided even if it's over the top, we really need to bring some life back into this. the president's performance really kind of had this apathetic feel to it. they wanted to have the vice president show a tremendous amount of feeling. every time he smirked, laughed, all the above, it seem like it was a signal he was sending to the fact checkers, almost like i'm laughing, what he said just now really needs to be verified. >> so let's talk about joe biden's impressive range. everything from the laughing to the excited hand gestures, to the al

biden or ryan pat buchanan? >> they both made the case both parties have been making for a long, long time. this debate, john, was an excellent debate. ryan came and presented himself as an intelligent, personable, attractive guy, who you would like a great deal. but the star of the show was clearly joe biden. he had a number of statements he made i thought were excellent. but the issue the next day is that joe biden was boarish, he interfered, interrupted, was contemptuous and condescending to ryan and this is the talk the day after the debate. people are saying ryan won, republicans are saying ryan won, democrats are saying biden wonment he rallied a base that had been demoralized by roughing up ryan as well he could. but the second part where libya, i think those things make it the democratic party the day after. >> that may be too high octane as a negative descriptive. >> i would's hold to it. >> you are watching too much cable news television, pat. i thought joe biden did exactly what he needed to do. he ra

son beau biden. >> he was in command of that stage. he was in command of the facts. he painted a stark contrast between what he and the president want to do for this country and what paul and mitt romney would do. what i was most struck by is paul ryan opening up the idea they were going to put additional forces in afghanistan. my father laid out the clear state policy of the administration. paul ryan demonstrated tonight that it might not be his area of expertise, and he opened the door for additional forces. i'm interested to see what the conversation is in the romney camp right now. >> well, what do you think of this debate over foreign policy, since you were over there in afghanistan in your service for our country? is it a real fight? it's been pointed out earlier tonight by rachel especially that if you listen to it, there's no real debate, in terms of they're not willing to say, let's go to war on the ground in syria. they're not willing to say, let's go to war with iran. they're not willing t

biden: he's right. ryan: it underminds our credibility backing up the point when we make it all options on the table. that's the point. they see these statements and think i'm going to get a nuclear weapon. when we see the keep of equivocation that took place because this administration wanted a preconditioned policy, so when the green revolution started up, they were silent for nine days. when they see us putting daylight between ourselves and allies and israel, that gives them encouragement. when they see russia watering down any further sanctions, the only reason we got a u.n. sanction because russia watered it down preventing these from being sanctions in the first place. when they see this activity, they are encouraged to continue. >> moderator: what's worse, war in the middle east, another war in the middle east or a nuclear armed iran? ryan: i'll tell you what's worse. a nuclear armed iran triggers a nuclear arms race in the middle east. it'sed -- it's the world's largest terrorist organization,

biden program or presidency. i thought it was a huge distraction. >> i think he was really sent on a mission because the president was just the opposite. he was very lethargic. he was very, just the opposite of what you saw last night from biden. i think he went in there, whether himself or people testimonying him to do it, probably himself and maybe a combination of both, i think he had to be aggressive because the president was not aggressive, not aggressive at all. i being he really had no choice. i was very -- i would have been very surprised if he didn't act very aggressive, which he d. now, he interrupted a lot, and he smiled and laughed, you know, but the laugh was a disparaging laugh. but i think he had no choice because they needed something to energize them. you couldn't have somebody else go in quietly and get awiwith it, in my opinion. >> greta: okay. they may have energized their base with it. but do you wonder, i mean, the ultimate goal, i would think is to attract the undecided and independent vote

>> reporter: and biden? well, biden's been around for a long time. elected in 1972 at 29, survived the tragedy of losing his wife and baby daughter in a car accident before he took office. >> we can always get another senator, but they can't get another father. >> reporter: and he became a national figure when he scared off against judge robert bork, nominated iffer the supreme court in 1987. >> does the majority have the right to tell a couple that they can't use birth control? >> reporter: that year, biden launched his first bid for the presidency. paul ryan was 17 years old. in 1988, the generation gap in a vice presidential debate led to this famous moment. >> senator, you're no jack kennedy. >> reporter: tonight, in a heated exchange about taxes, an echo of that moment. >> the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes, is cut the morning deduction for middle class people. cut the health care deduction for middle class people. take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. that's why they are -- >> is he wrong abou

>> i think joe biden won the debate.sion was to go in, energize democrats, defend the president's record and challenge congressman ryan on some of the misrepresentations that they've made about obama/biden record and frankly, ask him for specifics about what they would do, this mystery tax plan and whose budget are they actually running on. i think he did all of that last night and did it really well. >> kristen, do you agree with that? >> no, but i think it's possible for republicans to really think their guy won and for democrats to really think their guy won. i don't think this is partisan spinning because both men went in with different objectives. joe biden went in with his objective being i'm going to heckle the republicans, and fire up my base. he did that. i think paul ryan said i have to go in and prove i can be vice president or president of the united states. i think there are no republicans out there complaining about his performance. i think he did a good job, he did exactly what he needed to. >> i don't agr

the contrast wasn't just between biden and ryan but between biden and president obama. the cover, vote for joe, vp shows obama how to debate. inside, smirky biden upstages his boss. with me, former ohio governor and former democratic ted strickland. did he show up the boss? >> no, but he showed up paul ryan and that's what i think is was important. he showed a lot of heart. joe biden in my judgment is not only a good public servant and good political leader but he's a good human being. he cares deeply about this country and the people who have been left behind, the struggling middle class. that came across last night. >> i had a democratic say to me if you want the passion, you're going to get stuff that you don't like. it was some of the smirks and sort of overly gregarious emotion. are you in that camp? >> chuck, some of the same people criticizing the vice president for interrupting and smiling or they say smirking last night were the same people who were applauding mitt romney for being strong and for interrupting about a week ago. they can't have it both ways. i fe

but paul ryan called out by joe biden.heck in with charles i've been a superintendent for 30 some years at many different park service units across the united states. the only time i've ever had a break is when i was on maternity leave. i have retired from doing this one thing that i loved. now, i'm going to be able to have the time to explore something different. it's like another chapter. >> you sigh, if you don't have a good record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone to run from. that was what president obama said in 2008. that's what he is doing right now. >> sean: that's exactly what the vice-president did in last night's debate. forget the record, uncle joe did everything in his power to hide from his boss's failures and used the left's favorite tactic, divisive class warfare. >> they are holding hostage the middle class tax cut to the super wealthy. the middle class got knocked on their heels. the great recession crushed them. they need some help now. whatever you call it, the bottom line is people ar

joe biden dominated the debate. you can say he won, but it might be also that he lost the debate, especially once we see the saturday night live portray alf this. >> you mean he might have won in terms of -- >> well, he read the debate but he lost it, if you look at his smirk, snarl -- >> a former colleague said one of the measures of a debate is who cuts the ad after the debate. the rnc has this ad of laughter. i think it's very effective. and i think in the post debate, what are people going to remember? they aren't going to remember the fine points, they are going to remember joe biden's mannerisms. michael goodwin in the post said he was laughing in the beginning and angry at the end, it wasn't clear whether his medication was wearing off or kicking in. >> if you like joe biden you are happy with that performance f you didn't like joe biden, you thought he was a bore last night. but what about the people in the middle? what about the undecides? >> what do you think? >> i think it wasn't just the interruptions bu