>> i think it's also interesting to know that biennale doesn't approach countries. we don't go after countries and say "open a pavilion." the policy is if a country approaches us and is recognized by the government of italy and the united nations we say yes. so that also guarantees a very complicated and rich texture so when the vatican approached us-- the technical name is the holy see approached us and they bring a different understanding of what the present is like and what contemporary art is like. consistently they understand using art for publicity. (laughs) they understood that for a few centuries. >> rose: exactly right. and more than that. this is an easy job you have, righting? no challenges, it's sort of -- >> well, as an italian i have to pretend it's very easy. (laughs) it's not easy but it's exciting. >> rose: what's hard about it? you have a year to plan it? >> you have a year to plan it which is not a lot of time for an exhibition. my part is hundred thousand square meters and a little more and then there are all the national pavilions so it's the la