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drug prices bad rules here at home there are a number of bad proposals that have been advanced by big pharma and as you mentioned includes incredibly patents on surgical methods own the methods that doctors are actually using on patients there. treatment practices anything that's not what the doctor's bare hands potentially patentable monopolised you this is some guy who wasn't there way before i mean the surgical methods used to be something that people can just use that can be patented there are only two countries in the world that at that recognize that recognize these patents one is the united states the other is australia which actually opposes the u.s. proposal in the text eighty countries have banned these procedures outright is an outrageous violation of medical ethics this move in the house to. kind of stand up against this fast track fast tracking of this trade deal is that really significant because we know it will if all these countries are coming together negotiate something and they're afraid that whatever they come out whatever they come up with that the u.s. is going to take

drug prices bad rules here at home there are a number of bad proposals that have been advanced by big pharma and as you mentioned includes incredibly patents on surgical methods own the methods that doctors are actually using on patients there their treatment practices anything that's not what the doctors bare hands potentially patentable monopolised you this is some guy who wasn't there way before i mean surgical methods used to be something that people can just use that can be patented there are only two countries in the world that recognize that recognize these patents one is the united states the other is australia which actually opposes the u.s. proposal in the text eighty countries have banned these procedures outright as a outrageous violation of medical ethics this move in the house to. kind of stand up against this fast track fast tracking of this trade deal is that really significant because we know it will if all these countries are coming together negotiate something and they're afraid that whatever they come out whatever they come up with that the u.s. is going to take it back t

up with big pharma hollywood anywhere the united states can get that agreement but it's really not looking very good for those proposals here james this this still gives enormous power to transnational corporations and it weakens the power and to some extent of sovereign governments to be able to pass laws that affect their own citizens and this comes out of this whole dispute resolution process and these kind of courts that are created in this deal can you explain more about the process by which corporations can sue governments over laws that help consumers i think that that's the most important thing that's going to take place this agreement that we most trade agreements or most people think of trade agreements as agreements between countries the world trade organization you can only have a dispute if a country suzyn other country and that does happen but it doesn't happen with. huge amount of frequency partly because countries are kind of reluctant to do that and maybe they have if it's something about their intellectual property laws they may have something in their own country that th

that bothers me. >> well, first of all the issue, it is not going to be such a windfall for big pharma because a majority of these statins, like lipitor, they're off patent. melissa: hang on. crestor is not. it was the most prescribed drug in the past year. >> right. melissa: 23.7 million pills sold. $5.3 billion for this company. it's very popular. it is on patent until 2016. >> but nobody is saying you have to take a particular drug. they're saying a statin. there are a lot of generic statins on board. and there are some combination drugs that from prior studies we knew really didn't help stop disease progression. so they were the enhancer drugs. and so, you know, statins do things more than lower cholesterol. it is an approach that's looking at the whole person. and it isn't just a pill. that's not, that's not the main part of these recommendations this is just one part. but the key is, you shouldn't just, the prize is not the lower cholesterol. the prize is decreasing heart disease, less death from heart disease. so you know, the key is, you need to look at everything. diet and exe

is that what psychiatric diagnosis, dsm-5, big pharma, and the medicalization of everyday life". among many issues tackled in allen frances's text one of the most profound underscore is the politics and economics of diagnosis. please welcome allen frances. >> i am a schmooze their. i have been worried about the current situation in mental health in america and only slightly hopeful about future prognosis. we have become law pill popping society and the wrong people getting the pills. the people who need the pills are not getting them. the people who shouldn't be taking the pills are. the statistics are astounding. 20% of the population takes a psychiatric medication. 20%. anti-depressants 11% of the population and among women over 40, a quarter of women report taking and to depressants. we have four% of teenagers taking stimulus, and 4% taking anti-depressants. a class that should be restricted to a small percentage of the population have become a modena the most revenue producing drugs in america. $18 billion a year, they are being used for all sorts of things. anti-depressants

this is actually exactly what bill just talked about, which is powerful special interest, big pharma,disney and the other big content guys, undermining us as consumers are access to the internet, our access to affordable medicine, and are using their power to put that into an agreement that they have got misbranded as free trade. that is what the real tpp. so maybe we agree between the consumer group public citizen ,nd cato what is in tpp whatever you think about free trade, ain't so good for most of us. >> this is a rare occasion where i do agree with lori wallach. i agree that what is going on in the ip chapter is a special interest of free-for-all, a grab bag him at that u.s. companies are pushing to get what they want and these agreements. the problem with that is that intellectual property is not a trade issue and it shouldn't be in the agreement. originally, adding it into the agreement was away to bring on more political support to be able to bring in u.s. companies to counter other u.s. companies that would oppose the agreement. at this point, i think we have gotten toward int

. >>> the four horsemen of the big pharma apocalypse are back and they're flying now. for weeks they had drifted lower, slowly. under heavy pressure from an economy that looked like it was accelerating. causing people to want to sell recession boost stocks as well as from the overheating of the biotech ipo market, which has just gotten out of hand with deal after deal going to a premium. way too hot. as i'm a long-term believer in this group who's become accustom to the swoons, i thought it was opportunity to pick some up. today that judgment was vindicated although it's not too late to add your positions. let's go over what happened that got these stocks going. first, we know that the fed is still very worried about economic weakness in this country. so they will fight to keep interest rates lower. at the same time the consumer's strapped. as we know from the retail reports we've seen. and that kind of tepid deflationary economy money tends to gravitate toward whoever can grow the fastest. these bigger biotechs fit the bill. second, yes, that economic world view does

>> usually big pharma companies don't work with natural components.ral product. >> reporter: escozene isn't the first natural remedy purported to cure diseases. while some have turned out to have significant medicinal value, most have been resoundingly debunked by science. think shark fin, rhino horn, and the proverbial snake oil. when you tell people that this medicine is going to help them possibly cure cancer, they have no reservation doing it? you're giving them false help. >> we never use "cure cancer." >> that's the subsection. helps your body use its natural ability to cure cancer. people will only see "cure cancer." >> fight cancer. >> eating vegetables can help you fight cancer. you don't want to use the word "cure" but that's what the subtext is in this drug. >> the subtext, obviously we want to help to the maximum ability that this medicine can possibly help. >> reporter: they say it's been helping people here in the dominican republic for generations. she says she always has a scorpion. like the shopkeeper maria who keeps scorpions bottled

coming up oil companies and private military contractors made a killing off the occupation big pharma which collectively lobbies over two hundred fifty million dollars. annually to congress needs opium latex to manufacture drugs for this pill happy nation don't forget about the best. see trillions in black market sales are being funneled through banks and this money is got to come out clean on the other side. breaking the communal way throughout the day here on t.v. and of course on our website r.t. dot com the whereabouts of one of the jailed pussy riot punk band members has finally been established after weeks of uncertainty and then. turned up in a hospital in siberia where she was transferred from a penal colony if this were say she was hospitalized as part of a standard medical florentine after being transferred to another prison she and another member were convicted of hooliganism motivated by religious hatred after staging a performance at moscow's christ the savior cathedral she's serving a two year sentence and is due for release next march. the pope is taking on the godfathe

debate and is simply trying to bully and pressure countries by hook or by crook into lining up with big pharma hollywood anywhere in the united states can get that agreement but it's really not looking very good for those proposals meanwhile the white house is urging congress not to impose new sanctions on iran saying they could damage progress in ongoing international nuclear talks however washington has gone ahead with its annual renewal of what's called a state of emergency against iran and the old sanctions still stand and america's ally israel seems to be putting all its lobbying is into hitting iran with new restrictions but middle east political analyst saeed al a very things that further measures would harm u.s. interests. chronos provided a golden opportunity for. the global community to come around the table and now to an agreement about introducing new sanctions at the same time they're inviting for that in negotiations as quite a country productive and erode the confidence of the iranians. to continue the negotiations and the only thing iran is trying to achieve is kind of for a go

debate and is simply trying to bully and pressure countries by hook or by crook into lining up with big pharma hollywood anywhere the united states can get that agreement but it's really not looking very good for those proposals. and another trade deal being hammered out by the u.s. and the you could see individual corporations lifted to the status of nation states in artie's financial guru max kaiser says that would lead you to my some highly controversial business activities. will they pass a law to give the ability to go down to the amazonian jungle go to a country like ecuador who they have committed of ecological whole cost and committed wholesale murder like we haven't seen in fifty or sixty years and then go to the victim's families and say we know we killed your mark we know we killed your son but you always fifty thousand dollars because we got to put on it we don't propose to do evil god is going to out. for the episode coming up in about ten minutes time now the white house is congress not to impose new sanctions on iran saying they could damage progress in ongoing international nuc

debate and is simply trying to bully and pressure countries by hook or by crook into lining up with big pharma to hollywood anywhere the united states can get that agreement but it's really not looking very good for those proposals. and another trade deal being how madame by the u.s. and the could see individual corporations lifted to the status of the nation states will artie's financial guru max kaiser says that would be just to mind some highly controversial business activities so they pass a law to give chevron the ability to go down to the amazonian jungle go to a country like ecuador who they have committed of ecological whole of cost and committed wholesale murder like we haven't seen in fifty or sixty years and then go to the victim's families and say we know we killed your mom we know we killed your son but you always fifty thousand dollars because we got to pay our bond if we don't get out of their job you will god is going to laugh. at the kaiser report they're a bit later on the white house is the congress not to impose new sanctions on iran saying they could damage progress in ong

it's like a big bio pharma, a big pharma version of workday, wday which you heard about earlier this is expensive, it has something that many other cloud-based software plays do not have. veeva is profitable. it has no debt, and the company has a major runway for growth. veeva trades off the possibilities and the opportunities, not off the price to earnings multiple. at dream force on monday, i got to talk with peter gasner, the co-founder and ceo of veeva systems. take a look. >> peter, there was a way that your industry that you're in was kind of been able to get sales. it was kind of one-on-one, go out to dinner, do you like my product. you have revolutionized the way that drug companies interface with physicians. >> yeah. you know what, what we're doing, this category of software called industry cloud. we're bringing cloud computing, technology, to very specific industries that need very tailored software. in this case, life sciences industry. they had old technology, client server technology. >> meaning an oracle technology, frankly. i'll say it, you don't have to. >> it could b

this up that chapter leaked jack up medicine prices new monopolies and a free trade agreement for big pharma grannie's medicine prices go up limits on internet freedom remember sopa that sneaky online limiting advocacy that parts that no copyright chapter limits on food safety their limits on financial regulation it is like a big corporate trojan horse painted to say free trade. is about to get rolled right through congress but there's what to be done folks can stop it it's not necessary that it be something we have to live with we all work together can you expand on how folks can stop it so i would say there are two big things one of them we call the dracula strategy something this secretive and rotten does not do well in the sunshine so folks need to make sure they know the details just the basics of what we do on your mind their lives and to make sure their friends do their colleagues do the place to go is expose the t p p w w w expose the t p p it lays out exactly all the ways to undermine you it has a huge provision on offshoring of jobs and it tells you how to get involved specifically

chapter of the t p p that reveals new proposals for copyright and patent rights that would boost big pharma companies and it raises questions on how the trade agreement would affect individual rights and free expression of the leaked documents wiki leaks editor in chief julian assange said quote if you read or write publish think listen dance sing or invent if you farm or consume food if you're ill now or might one day be ill the t.p. has you in its crosshairs it's for that reason that a number of demonstrators have come together and washington d.c. to call out one trade rep trying to tell the tepees alleged benefits artie's perry and boring has more. the u.s. trade representative michael froman a spoke about the conservation provisions within the transpacific partnership today at the charlie palmer steak house and washington d.c. the event was sponsored by the world wildlife fund there about fifteen people in attendance including myself other members of the press also u.s. fish and wildlife services was here members from key congressional offices were here at the state department embassy o

chapter of the ttp that reveals new proposals for copyright and patent rights that would boost big pharma company is and it raises questions on how the treaty agreement would affect individual rights and free expression of the leaked documents the team beats editor in chief julian us on the set. well if you read and write publish think listening to dance sing warned that if you find are consumed and if you're ill now or might one day be ill. the ttp has you in its crosshairs. it's for that reason that a number of demonstrators have come together in washington dc to pull out one entry draft fine it's not the ttp is alleged benefits. rt scary and boring has more. the us trade representative michael from annan spoke about the cause of the same provisions within the trans pacific partnership today. we are safe house in washington d c e d that was sponsored by the world wildlife fund about fifteen people in attendance including myself of that members of the press. also u s fish and wildlife services was here at members from key congressional offices were here at the state department and the se

in a free trade agreement for big pharma grannies medicine prices go up limits on internet freedom remember that sneaky online limiting advocacy that parts that no copyright chapter limits on food safety their limits on financial regulation it is like a big corporate trojan horse painted to say free trade. is about to get rolled right through congress but there's what to be done folks can stop it it's not necessary that it be something we have to live with we all work together can you expand on how folks can stop it so i would say there are two big things one of them we call the dracula strategy something this secretive and rotten does not do well in the sunshine so folks need to make sure they know the details just the basics of what we do on your mind their lives and to make sure their friends do their colleagues do the place to go is expose the t p p w w w expose the t p p it lays out exactly all the ways to undermine you it has a huge provision offshoring of jobs and it tells you how to get involved specifically which types of multinational corporations are most likely to benefit from t

they free trade agreements for big pharma grannie's medicine prices go up limits on internet freedom remember so that sneaky online limiting advocacy that parts that copyright chapter limits on food safety their limits on financial regulation it is like a big corporate trojan horse tainted to say free trade. is about to get rolled right through congress but there's what to be done folks can stop it it's not necessary to be something we have to live with we all work together can you expand on how folks can stop it so i would say there are two big things one of them we call the dracula strategy something this secretive and rotten does not do well in the sunshine so folks need to make sure they know the details just the basics of what we do on your mind their lives and to make sure their friends do their colleagues do the place to go is expose the t p p w w w expose the t p p it lays out exactly all the ways to undermine you it has a huge provision on offshoring of jobs and it tells you how to get involved specifically which types of multinational corporations are most likely to benefit

decisions not only of oil companies and private military contractors made a killing off the occupation big pharma which collectively lobbies over two hundred fifty million dollars annually to congress needs opium latex to manufacture drugs for this pill happy nation don't forget about the bag. see trillions in black market sales are being funneled through banks and this money is got to come out clean on the other side support for the ongoing war may not be high but believe me these corporations are in it for the long haul see a strategic pact that will allow u.s. troop presence to remain in afghanistan until two thousand and twenty four has already been signed so basically baseless rhetoric and propaganda aside here's the cold hard truth this government is fighting a war on drugs worldwide with millions of nonviolent drug users rotting away in prison yet on the other hand the us is at the very least nurturing the largest source of the deadliest and most addictive drug on the planet so you tell me what the occupation of afghanistan is really about. are human beings meant to be monogamous for centu

debate and is simply trying to bully and pressure countries by hook or by crook into lining up with big pharma hollywood anywhere the united states can get that agreement but it's really not looking very good for those proposals. now i know there are trade deal being hammered out by the us and the e.u. could see individual corporations lifted to the status of nation states are just financial guru max geyser says that would legitimize some highly controversial business activities. so they pass a law to the brown the ability to go down to the amazonian jungle go to a country like ecuador who they've committed of ecological whole of cost and committed wholesale murder like we haven't seen in fifty or sixty years and then go to the victim's families and say we know we killed your mom we know we killed your son but you always fifty thousand dollars a pig because you've got to pay your bill on it we don't bare bones there job level god is going to up. international talks aimed at ending the long running standoff over iran's nuclear program stalled last week due to last minute amendments to a u.s. pr

chapter of the t p p that reveals new proposals for copyright and patent rights that would boost big pharma companies and it raises questions on how the trade agreement would affect individual rights and free expression of the leaked documents with the leaks editor in chief june julian assange said quote if you read write publish think listen dancing or invent if you farm or consume food if you're ill now or might be ill one day that t p p has you and it's crosshairs it's for that reason that a number of demonstrators have come together in washington d.c. to call out one trade rep trying to tout the t p p's alleged benefits artie's period boring as more. the u.s. trade representative michael froman a spoke about the conservation provisions within the transfer civic partnership today at the charlie palmer steak house and washington d.c. the event was sponsored by the world wildlife fund there about fifty people in attendance including myself other members of the press also u.s. fish and wildlife services was here members from key congressional offices were here the state department embassy o

this up that chapter lete jack up medicine prices new monopolies and a free trade agreement for big pharma grandees medicine prices go up limits on internet freedom remember that sneaky online limiting advocacy that parts that no copyright chapter limits on food safety their limits on financial regulation it is like a big corporate trojan horse painted to say free trade. is about to get rolled right through congress but there's what to be done folks can stop it it's not necessary to be something we have to live with for all work together can you expand on how folks can stop it so i would say there are two big things one of them we call the dracula strategy something this secretive and rotten does not do well in the sunshine so folks need to make sure they know the details just the basics of what we do on your mind their lives and to make sure their friends do their colleagues do the place to go is expose the t p p w w w expose the t p p it lays out exactly all the ways to undermine you it has a huge provision offshoring of jobs and it tells you how to get involved specifically which types

making this up that chapter leaked jack up prices new monopolies in a free trade agreement for big pharma grandees medicine prices go up limits on internet freedom remember so that sneaky online limiting advocacy that parts that no copyright chapter limits on food safety their limits on financial regulation it is like a big corporate trojan horse painted to say free trade. is about to get rolled right through congress but there's what to be done folks can stop it it's not necessary that it be something we have to live with we all work together can you expand on how folks can stop it so i would say there are two big things one of them we call the dracula strategy something this secretive and rock group does not do well in the sunshine so folks need to make sure they know the details just the basics of what we do on your mind their lives and to make sure their friends do their colleagues do the place to go is exposed. w w w expose the t p p it lays out exactly all the ways to undermine you it has a huge provision offshoring of jobs and it tells you how to get involved now specifically which

that reveals new proposals for copyright and patent rights that would boost big pharma companies and it raises questions on how the trade agreement. what affect individual rights and free expression of the documents wiki leaks editor in chief julian assange said quote if you read write publish thank listen dancing or invent if you farm or consume food if you're ill now or might one day be ill the t.t.p. has you and it's crosshairs it's for that reason that a number of demonstrators gathered today in front of the hotel where these negotiations are taking place and artie's ramon glendower is there in salt lake city he joins me now ramona you were at the protests today what would you say these demonstrators were most concerned about you know dozens of people showed up in front of a luxurious hotel here in downtown salt lake city to speak out against t p p n demand transparency in the negotiations there were several labor representatives labor activists there really concerned about the possibility of jobs going overseas u.s. jobs going overseas and not enough labor protections being put

drug prices that rules out here at home there a number of bad proposals that have been advanced by big pharma and as you mentioned includes high incredibly patterns on surgical methods on the methods that ed that the doctors are actually using on patients or their treatment practices anything that's not what the doctors bare hands. potentially have and will monopolize this is the way before write them in surgical methods use to do something that people can just use the content that their only two countries in the world a better day to recognize that recognize these patents one is the united states the others australia which actually opposes the us proposal and attacks eighty countries have banned these procedures outright isn't that outrageous violation of the classics. this move in the house too spread a stand up against this fast track fast tracking of this trade deal is a really significant because when a little. if all these countries are coming together negotiate something and they're afraid that whatever they come out whenever they come up with the us is going to get back to congress an

i'm too old to learn about high-tech and big pharma. >> is that a china play? >> no, i actually think it's more than just a china play. i think it's a europe and south america play. i think the global economy is doing reasonably well. it will certainly not hurt if the decision is made by the third really bear fruit and they probably shall. so it's clearly a help but it's a bet that the entire global economy is going to do better. >> typically when the noose is at its worse is when you get into those things. team to be waking up to the resurgence in the steel names. >> they have been a long time coming. and if you take a look at the steel stocks, they have really just begun to move. the rest of them were multiples higher. 15, 10, 15 times higher. it's interesting to find people coming to their area for the first time in a while. i think they are just starting to move up and everybody has been talking about the 200 day moving average coming down through the 200. >> den nis, don't you think where melissa started off the conversation with the headlines out of china

kill themselves are receiving treatment at the v.a., but the treatment they are receiving is the big pharmags, opioid pain killers. they are prescribed not for psychological problems but for simple body pain, and they are highly addictive, deeply implicated in soldier suicides. i tell the story of one texas soldier who came back deeply and was by the war about to resign from the military. he was getting treatment at the when he was playing in a football game and broke a finger. he was prescribed heavy-duty opioid narcotics. as his mother said afterwards, she went to the doctor and said, you prescribed that for a broken finger? shortly after he was addicted, and not long afterwards, he killed himself. his mother traces it to the onset of those drugs on top of the experiences he brought home from the more. >> you are the daughter of a veteran. talk about his experience and how that influenced you in your book and in your previous work. >> my father was a highly decorated veteran of world war i . he came home with wounds and certainly all the demons, which never left his nightmares. they atten

we chastise people for being enthusiastic, we always have to come back to the four horse men of big pharma who are up. trying to find someone that looks like winners makes sense on a day bio tech gets a take over bid on top of the santarus we caught bid friday. as far as the bubble in bonds, what do you expect? the fed created a world to advance higher. if you change the tax code, they'd start hiring to bring the money back from overseas. that would involve compromise in washington. forget about it. that's not allowed. there can be no compromise. what's the other objections? do you want banks of highly indebted ipo. let's deal with the heart of the matter. why it may still be early in the migration keeping money in stupid hardly safe low yielding instruments to put it in risk adjusted assets. how many professionals have you actually heard saying come on in? this is the real deal. this market is for real. how many pros have actually professed love for stocks and begged people to invest? i don't know of any. warren buffett has done that although he's backed off as of late. let's stipulate he

decisions not only of oil companies and private military contractors made a killing off the occupation big pharma but collectively lobbies over two hundred fifty million dollars annually to congress needs opium latex to manufacture drugs for this pill happy nation don't forget about the bad. see trillions in black market sales are being funneled through banks and this money is got to come out clean on the other side support for the ongoing war may not be high but believe me these corporations are in it for the long haul see a strategic pact that will allow u.s. troop presence to remain in afghanistan until two thousand and twenty four has already been signed so basically baseless rhetoric and propaganda aside here's the cold hard truth this government is fighting a war on drugs were. wide with millions of nonviolent drug users rotting away in prison yet on the other hand the us is at the very least nurturing the largest source of the deadliest and most addictive drug on the planet so you tell me what the occupation of afghanistan is really about. are human beings meant to be monogamous for centur

here's a biotech stock, one of the four horse men of the big pharma apocalypse that seems unstoppablest reported this morning the company shot the lights out. truly stunning numbers. 52-cent earnings beat, 52-cent earnings beat off 1.88 basis. revenues that rose 39.6% year-over-year. biggest beat of the quarter, biggest beat of the year. what's more, we heard a lot of chatter about regeneron's big block buster degeneration drug. which could potentially sell the turbo charged growth. what happens, once again the numbers are phenomenal. linked quarter with management raising their sales forecast and announcing they've asked the fda for approval for a new indication diabetic macula -- no matter how well the stock goes, it seems wall street can't get the collective head around the scale of the opportunity here. stock has given you a 65% gain since we last spoke to the ceo back in january, may be the best call in the history of "mad money" when i initially recommended regeneron trading at $5 back in 2005 after one of our earliest c.o. interviews. 5,995% gain, if you invested $1,000 in rege

cook and has won the game you know big pharma goes to handicap is allowed to make more powerful strains of viagra. and and botox. he is he is the man he he controls it. he is the new global strong. roswell on this fellow who runs in one whose name escapes me. obama that hour. they're just not there. nash who has won the game will reconnect keeping the pope waiting for fifteen minutes. aftermath i cannot stand the hierarchy none of the peacekeeping waking life to meet its as if he'd just gotten half digested the fact that he's not super power tool so it seems to be tested to make and spend the night. he knew he shouldn't do that. it's pretty convinced that and won't let it slip that kind of collapse a minute to the tactics the politicians and then the parents know anyone skip that and the elite saying for quite a long time. you know when you need to stop to stop them will stay its insistent that they needed to to not to love being in the loving in the planet's it just a plate and. the it says here that this material. somebody to be reckoned with. put two by two women continually. when so

. >> they've become big pharma names, honestly.hen you look at the valuations, and in many cases returning shareholders through repurchasing or doing it through dividends, these are mature companies now, revenue growth, earnings growth. it's phenomenal. to your point, steve, when you look at where they're trading valuation-wise, celgene, amgen, they're not going down. >> it's a highly speculative -- >> i disagree. >> nothing speculative about the big-cap biotechs. what's speculative about a company growing at 50% with a pipeline that's mature, and growing? >> and an aging population. >> where's the bubble? >> see, this is why i raised the issue at the top of the show, maybe the most important question that people need to be thinking about right now, and i know we'll be thinking about it and talking about it in the days ahead. the price of the stocks versus the valuation of the market or the valuation of these individual stocks? it's easy to lock at a stock that's been up 100%, say oh, my god this, is a bubble, i have to get out of

disorder we get good placement for pieces if we are the first out with a new disorder and certainly big pharma is part of shaping these symptom pools. he says patients endeavor to produce symptoms that will correspond to the medical diagnostics of their time. the cultural molding of the unconscious happens imperceptibly and follows a large number of cultural cues that the patient is simply not aware of. if you look at symptoms like hysteria we can clearly see the cultural origins of that behavior. we can see the undercurrent of misogyny the mistaken beliefs about women's anatomy fear of women's sexuality notions that female mental illness play a part in creating this remarkable widespread disease. it's easy to see when we look back. it's much more difficult to see it in our own time. we often believe that our modern diagnostics of symptomatology is no longer influenced by culture but i would suggest modern symptom ologies are influenced by cultural expectations every bit as much as that of his area over 100 years ago. the point here is not that this cultural shaping makes these behaviors or me

i'll stay away from tesla, big pharma, high-tech. in those things, but in the simple economic growth, i don't think there's froth whatsoever. >> a stock market can have a pocket that's totally frothy and it doesn't necessarily translate to the whole -- to the indexes being overbought. >> it happens all the time. go back to when i first started in the business back in the early 1970s with the nifty fifty, you had 50 stocks with p/es close to 100, the rest of the market was extremely undervalued. we did the same thing at the turn of the century with high-tech. and there were still places where things were cheap. i think there are plenty of places that are cheap. i think you can't go willy nilly and buy stocks off the board and throw darts and think you're going to do well. but owning some very simple things and hedging them with options or hedging them with puts or hedging them with futures against them, that's probably not a bad way to go right now. and if we had -- >> we didn't get back to 1,000 until 1982. hit it at 1969 and the '70

greed jam fairies and of the causes my colleague andrew pharma spoke with american activist greg he believes all right isn't always. one of my big pushes with all of the kind of real world stuff we've been doing not the online stuff for me has been to get more people what i like to call activated get more people out there just doing something you know i don't even care what you believe i want you on the streets telling people about it in getting things done so i think this type of event is going to just help to get more people active in the system and i have a feeling that more people active in the system can only be better for the people g. fail anonymous. people because you talked about the protests there which is fair enough but also they do hack websites and people could legitimately say when actually is not a criminal offense to be want to be part of this there's a distinction there you call it criminal you know what's right and what's wrong is not exactly in line with what's legal and what's he's evil and so it's really up to each individual to decide just how far they're willing to go with their protests. the glitz and gl