up to big pharma in so many ways. t like me too much these big -- they call it big pharma >> seth: sometimes i think he says, "they call it," because he wants to get credit for teaching you a thing you already know other times, i think he says it because he doesn't want you thinking he came up with that name "they call it big pharma, but i -- i call it, wait for this, 'phony pharma,' with fishy pfizer, mad moderna, and of course, worst of all, jerkson and jerkson. of course, that promise turned out to be empty. all he did was sign a few meaningless executive orders and promise legislation that never came in fact, after he himself got covid during the campaign, he announced that he would make the experimental drug cocktail he received in the hospital free for all americans. a promise that suspiciously disappeared after he made it >> i have emergency use authorization all set. and we got to get it signed now. i want to get for you what i got, and i'm going to make it free you're not going to pay for it i want everybody t

>> well, i love that you are skeptical of big pharma like katie porter was skeptical of big pharma jedifornia a democrat. just like bernie sanders has put forth three pieces of legislation to rein in on big pharma. and the fact that they are focused on profits. listen, pharmaceutical company spent $1.6 billion in five years on research and development, yet, $50 billion went to shareholders, 13 billion went to stock buy backs in that five year period. >> will: nomiki that backs up the point. the question isn't why i have grown skepticism towards big pharma the question is why those on the left, like yourself have become such blind followers of big pharma. why is it if you have questions. >> well,. >> will: no mickey call anyone who would question covid-19 anti-vaxer. in poem $5.6 billion in this vaccine? >> the definition of intelligence is being able to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time and big pharma makes a lot of money and not spending enough money on research and development which is where their priorities should be. >> will: twrused blindly on this issue. >> not blin

big pharma fear big pharma firms saria fearing for their profits at the moment after moves by the e.u. russia and the united states to scrap vaccine peyton's during the pandemic the idea is to increase access and production capacity that hawkins looks at why though his being resist it. just when you thought it was all quiet on a covert vaccine front a new battle begins it's deja vu it's the haves versus the have nots the poor countries pleading with the global pharma giants through broaden vaccine manufacturing capacity and it seems like they have some unlikely allies in their fight this is a global health crisis and the extraordinary circumstances of the call the 1000 damage call for extraordinary measures didn't stray should believe strongly in intellectual property protections but in service of ending this pandemic supports the waiver of those protections for call the 916 on the other side the foreign giants are holding their ground things are not simple they say despite best intentions and weaver is the simple but their own answer to what is a complex problem waiting patterns of c

where i will power as a backing a global waiver on covert vaccine paid since the shortage is a low big pharma pushing back over the move which could massively hit their profits . i welcome good afternoon watching r.t. international is just gone 5 o'clock am in moscow now dozens are dead and missing and hundreds injured in colombia after a week of anger tax reforms the proposal has now been scrapped but the government's crackdown has only spurred the protests a candlelight vigil was held in the capital on thursday night with thousands gathering to pay tribute to the dead by police and demands for the killings to stop the violent reply to the protesters being globally condemned however there's only been a carefully measured response from the united states a country known for pulling out all of the stops to support activists in other countries. looks at what. colombia is a warning to way everyone a warning of water. happens when people have had enough rain she gets that unfair tax reform and got that an out of control pad demick boom over destroyed economy and shocker to how the state has behave

a to mr east vaccine shortages although big pharma are pushing back with a move which could massively affect that profit. good afternoon with r.t. international at 3 o'clock am the russian capital dozens of dead and missing and hundreds injured in colombia after a week of anger tax reforms the proposal has now been scrapped but the government's crackdown is only spurred the protesters on a candlelight vigil was held in the capital on thursday night thousands gathering to pay tribute to the dead voicing them. sounds bikini's to skulk violent reply to the protesters being globally condemned however it's only been a caffeine as you response from the united states a country 9 for pulling out all the stops to support activists in other countries is our senior correspondent there and ghastly. columbia is a warning to everyone a warning of what happens when people have had enough rage against unfair tax reform and that an out of control pad demick gloom over a destroyed economy and shocker of how the state has behaved. mimi and zev colombians have fall into poverty because of the pad demick

they see so many in india and around the world suffer with the ravages of kovac and in their minds big pharma firms which they see as making lots and lots of money are sitting on property rights that if they were extended could help relieve that pain and suffering and death around the world tell me how you feel about that equation. well let's start with the end goal everyone shares the goal of making sure we get as many code vaccines out to every corner of the world to every person who needs them as soon as possible we are in a race against kobe variants and so it's incredibly important not only that everyone get backs unaided but that we do it very very quickly know when to say until we are all safe this is uniformly shared amongst our companies and i think amongst the public health professionals around the globe where we differ as is 2 of the fastest way to actually get that done and what stands in the way right now between shops and more arms is not intellectual property many of our companies have license their technology to manufacturers around the globe i was recently in a conversation w

steve: there has been a lot of focus on big pharma. is also little pharma, as we just heard, little firms involved in some oncology approaches, which it has found useful in attacking the coronavirus in various efforts they are taking. one company is working on platforms for hpv virus, others on cancer issues, also finding a way to attack the coronavirus vaccine across a wide spectrum, so when small companies are hearing that their intellectual property rights might be waived, they might be waived across other efforts they are making, and these are not government-funded companies. how do you feel about that dimension? i worry that these little firms are having the rug ripped out from underneath him, after years of investment and work to help mankind. it is not run by the government. these are private firms. ed: there should be no position on intellectual property protection. those who do not think, they are living in a dinner third universe, and it should always be robust, most of us don't want to live in that, so in the real world, we

job hate and snow to solve vaccine shortages but big pharma firms are resisting the push for massively profits. now one of the morning moscow time good morning from russia this friday the 7th of may my name is kevin here and out international with our latest for the next half hour for you. dozens are dead and missing and hundreds injured after a week of tax reforms in colombia the proposals have been scrapped but nonetheless the government's response is only spurred protesters on now a candlelight vigil was held in the capital on thursday night with thousands gathering to pay tribute to the dead while voicing demands for. the killing to stop the violence replied to the protests is being content globally but there's been little more than a measured response from the us country not a cause for pulling out all the stops to support activists in other countries is a senior correspondent or a guest here. columbia is a warning to everyone a warning of what happens when people have had enough re she can start unfair tax reform and that an out of control pandemic gloom over a destroyed because

laughs. ..but it was big pharma that got us out of this terrible crisis.. and they did that because they earn a lot of money and they can put a lot of money into research. as it happened in this country, the government actually subsidised astrazeneca to develop that oxford vaccine, but in most of those circumstances, it was done by the pharmaceutical companies themselves, with the vast wealth that they gain from their profits. if you take away the incentive for pharmaceutical companies to survive and do research and you take away the resources because you remove their patents and their ability to make profits on these discoveries, you are going to lay up problems for the future. i mean, what pharmaceutical company is going to invest enormous amounts of money and intensive research and labour to make the discoveries that are saving our lives now, if it knows that its patent can be taken away as a political gesture? i don't think that is the way to go. we could always compensate those companies, there's nothing to stop governments buying those patents. there

to share big pharma for exult and so does the market with many companies seeing shares plummet some buy record amounts they're not the only ones panicking some lawmakers are more worried about us that knology falling into the hands of russia or china and that's a total to bow speaking of russia to avoid and support from unexpected places as moscow approved the countries fork over job president putin reiterated his support for the proposal of those in which we should not think about making maximum profit but about ensuring the safety of people even the e.u. has jumped on the patent free bandwagon that you turn from a farm bill owens believes that a vaccine waiver would not be helpful and even with the change of heart w.t. only go she could take many months the subtle the european union is also ready to discuss any proposal that address the crisis in an effective and pragmatic manner. and that's why we are ready to discuss how the u.s. proposal for waiver on intellectual property protection for covered vaccines could help achieve that objective in the short run however we call upon all va

powers of backing of global waiver on covert pay to solve the vaccine shortages but big pharma firms are resisting the push which would massively dent their profits. just so the turn of the morning here in moscow good morning from russia on this front of the 7th of may it's kevin owen here at r.t. international with the latest for you for the next half hour it's good to be company. dozens dead and missing and hundreds injured after a week of anger in tax reforms in colombia the proposals now been scrapped but nonetheless the government's response is only spurred protesters on a candlelight vigil was held in the capital on thursday night the thousands gathering to pay. while voicing demands for the killings to stop the violent reply to the protests has been condemned globally but there's been a little more of a carefully measured response from the us a country known for pulling out all the stops of course to support activists in other countries so why when he's a senior correspondent for gustier. colombia is a warning to everyone a warning of what happens when people have had enough r

really cool powers a back in the global wave on covert faxing paid sinister in shortages although big pharma pushing back over the move which could massively it their profits. good afternoon just gone 4 o'clock in moscow you're watching r.t. international dozens of dead and missing and hundreds injured in colombia after a week of anger tax reforms the proposal has now been scraps but the government's crackdown is only spurred the protest a candle that vigil was held in the capital on thursday with thousands gathering to pay tribute to the dead. man's for the killings to stop while the cry to the protests has been globally condemned however there's only been a carefully measured response from the united states a country known for pulling out all the stops to support activists in other countries but have. yes takes up the story. of colombia is a warning to everyone a warning of what happens when people have had enough rain she gets that unfair tax reform and that an out of control pandemic gloom over a destroyed economy and shocker to how the state has behaved. medians of colombians of phoolan

he was the son of mortimer sackler one of the two brothers who ran big pharma and i started asking around and i spoke to a friend of his mother's who said he had a drug problem and then i found a deposition that we -- kathy sackler had done and it the kind of thing you wouldn't pay attention to unless you hear where she starts with the heroin crisis in the 70s but i had friends and relatives who struggled with it and she moves on and doesn't say anything about her brother but the thing for me was that lobby, there was no history of the many where no memorial on his grave was found. i kept pushing and eventually i tracked down the doorman who was on duty the day that he died at the building where he died to witnessed him -- bobby sackler jumped out of the window and died on the sidewalk and he spoke to his mother and then i tracked down someone who worked for the family for three decades. she was called in to help take care of things in the immediate aftermath of that. it was just a very tragic story. what was so striking to me about it was that the family had been stigmatizing people who

but big pharma is fighting the proposal. wto meetings on the issue have just begun in geneva. we will go washington to speak with lori wallach of public citizen's global trade watch, and then to the philippines to speak with walden bello, co-founder of focus on the global south. >> it is an emergency that we have to put human lives above corporate profits. amy: we will also talk to walden bello about u.s.-china relations. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. india reported another record daily covid debt told -- daily death toll today with 3780 fatalities. the world health organization says india accounted for nearly half of all global covid-19 cases reported last week and one in four deaths, as the government of narendra modi is coming under mounting calls to impose a national lockdown. india's infection and death figures are believed to be vast undercounts. in britain, india's entire delegation to the g7 summit in london is in self-isolation after two of its members tested positive for covid-19. in

see so many in india and around the world suffer with the ravages of cove it and in their minds big pharma firms which they see as making lots and lots of money are sitting on property rights that if they were extended could help relieve that pain and suffering and death around the world tell me how you feel about that equation. well let's start with the end goal everyone shares the goal of making sure we get as many code vaccines out to every corner of the world to every person who needs them as soon as possible we are in a race against kobe variants and so it's incredibly important not only that everyone get backs unaided but that we do it very very quickly know when to say until we are all safe this is uniformly shared amongst our companies and i think amongst the public health professionals around the globe where we differ as is 2 of the fastest way to actually get that done and what stands in the way right now between shops and more arms is not intellectual property many of our companies have licensed their technology to manufacturers around the globe i was recently in a conversation

isn't this something much more fundamental, this near liberal policies of big pharma, of the closeness between governments and big pharma and how they operate, versus the great success of your neighbor with similar kind to population. the people's republic of china. i be sort of when data and the interview that i has, if it's life or death, they have the vaccine. who cares who licenses? i mean, do you think, i mean this is life or death for in his population? surely these issues by the but they're about money and about rights. who cares? i b. b and the binding on the engagement beginning with some other countries than that it cannot be or say that i was the one. so honoring the contract is more important than saving the lives of ordinary indian people. i'm not the late that also getting out of the was now why is also so bad trying to really so it's not really like to be like one that was it because the time when the funding needs to be growth and the only back research by any reality dissolution section. all one good. so in fancy the joe biden administration, he has sought a waiver on

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and other conspirators to use have been disproven can you really blame people for not trusting big pharma when many companies have gotten away time and time again with harming people. well you know big pharma doesn't have a great track record bridgette up but when you look at the situation here what do you have so what they seem to be saying to me is that ok they don't trust the vaccines they don't trust the pharmaceutical companies they don't trust the government or the elected officials or the doctors and the in the medical community so what they must be trusting is coded 19 they must put more trust in colvin that they won't catch it and that somehow it won't kill them now i'd like to pose this question to them how many people have been killed by covert 19 and how many people have been killed by the vaccine so far. let's add up the numbers and take a look at them and i find it very interesting that the majority of the people who don't want to get the vaccine are trump republicans now didn't they want to give donald trump credit for discovering the vaccine and i mean we could all blame h

it's proven can you really blame people for not trusting big pharma when many companies have gotten away time and time again with harming people. well you know big pharma doesn't have a great track record bridgette up but when you look at the situation here what do you have so what they seem to be saying to me is that ok they don't trust the vaccines they don't trust the pharmaceutical companies they don't trust the government or the elected officials or the doctors and the in the medical community so what they must be trusting is kovac 19 they must put more trust in colvin that they won't catch it and that somehow it won't kill them now i'd like to pose this question to them how many people have been killed by covert 19 and how many people have been killed by the vaccine so far. let's add up the numbers and take a look at them and i find it very interesting that the majority of the people who don't want to get the vaccine are trump republicans now didn't they want to give donald trump credit for discovering the vaccine i mean we could all blame him for many of the deaths for lying to th

it's proven can you really blame people for not trusting big pharma when many companies have gotten away time and time again with harming people. well you know big pharma doesn't have a great track record bridgette up but when you look at the situation here what do you have so what they seem to be saying to me is that ok they don't trust the vaccines they don't trust the pharmaceutical companies they don't trust the government or the elected officials or the doctors and the in the medical community so what they must be trusting is kovac 19 they must put more trust in colvin that they won't catch it and that somehow it won't kill them now i'd like to pose this question to them how many people have been killed by covert 19 and how many people have been killed by the vaccine so far. let's add up the numbers and take a look at them and i find it very interesting that the majority of the people who don't want to get the vaccine are trump republicans now didn't they want to give donald trump credit for discovering the vaccine and i mean we could all blame him for many of the deaths for lying t

countries so that message is out there but i think one thing that might happen is that perhaps big pharma will now say ok well is there another way that we could look at this we understand the pressure we're hearing that we're seeing it can we do more in license sharing can we do more in tech transfer proactively and voluntarily can we go further than we have done because although some there been some limited efforts of that from big pharma to just smaller companies like astra zeneca to the servants to to india that it's been really just a drop in the ocean. when we think about the amount of vaccine that we now need to produce. it's the 1st major a dispute between france and britain over fishing rights and sparks it both sent navy patrol vessels to the english channel island of jersey at issue new licensing rules that the island imposed french fishermen say those regulations prevent them from operating in the area france said it will not be intimidated dozens of french boats sailed through the area to protest they have not returned to normandy a french minister went as far as threatening

countries so that message is out there but i think one thing that might happen is that perhaps big pharma will now say ok well is there another way that we could look at this we understand the pressure we're hearing that we're seeing it can we do more in license sharing can we do more in tech transfer proactively and voluntarily can we go further than we have done because although some there's been some limited efforts at that from big pharma to just smaller companies like astra zeneca to the servants to to india that has been really just a drop in the ocean. when we think about the amount of vaccine that we now need to produce a primary continue to cast doubt on the tokyo olympics with tens of thousands of people in japan signing a petition calling for it to be cancelled the games start in 78 days but tokyo state of emergency has such big standby up to a month because of a surge of infections those behind the petition believe hosting the olympics is draining money away from other such as rollout of a covert 19 vaccine. the international criminal court a sentence former ugandan militia le

but you have to trust big pharma.ho does not necessarily have the greatest history of telling the truth of being on the up and up. and i didn't know when it became the idea that we can alwaysly blindly trust and have faith in big pharma which, dana has complete liability, immunity when it comes to the covid-19 vaccination. >> dana: that's a great point. to your point you were talking about the president and vice president of the united states saying well, take the vaccine or wear a mask. that's quite different from what kamala harris was telling nbc during the election when she said if trump told her to take the vaccine she doesn't think she would do it. so now we have another 360. here's the thing -- or 180. you have people who have politicized this. and maybe it's the left and the administration and maybe if bureaucrats wanted the democrats to take them seriously. they shouldn't have politicized issues that related to our health. they shouldn't have turned this to a political football. they did this themselves. and

according to business insider at least nine big pharma tycoons are vaccine billionaires collectivelyth $19.3 billion. this includes four moderna execs and investors and one biotech exec, joining me victor davis hanson, senior fellow, i have never seen a push for vaccinations from children, small children to people who already had the virus like i have seen but now we see the money that was made. >> those are the two key groups but people had questions about whether you wanted to vaccinate people who were almost immune to the disease when we did nevertheless. everybody is impressed by the herculean efforts by johnson & johnson and moderna but they want them reward but we're not talking just about companies, where talking individuals, just nine people, $20 billion, we fully vaccinated 15% of the planet. they want to vaccinate also. billion, $130 billion, that raise a lot of questions because i'm not sure the american people are not sure there are quite free enterprise entities in this business because they've got a lot of our andy help from the trump administration, exemptions from tho

well i think 'd what it might also do is push big pharma to think about other measures in between well with thinking about this i think the message is loud and clear is a massive inequity in terms of distribution of vaccines the countries that are really really struggling simply don't have vaccines in the african region we don't have vaccines and we're not getting enough vaccines to the kovacs facility that would support the poorest countries so that message is out there but i think one thing that might happen is that perhaps big pharma will now say ok well is there another way that we could look at this we understand the pressure we're hearing that we're seeing it can we do more in license sharing can we do more in tech transfer proactively and voluntarily can we go further than we have done because although some there been some limited efforts at that from big pharma to just smaller companies like astra zeneca to the servants to divinia that it's been really just a drop in the ocean. when we think about the amount of vaccine that we now need to release but you think that's really lik

shortage of vaccines we're currently seeing stems not from restrictive licensing on the part of big pharma but from the scarcity of the raw materials needed to make the axioms and also from the complexity of the manufacturing process which requires highly skilled workers who take a very long time to train and it's worth noting that in regard to raw materials in fact the u.s. itself has been holding back exports of raw materials to countries like india so in some ways what we're seeing here in this new u.s. proposal is perhaps an attempt to distract from prior vaccine nationalism with a strong dose of vaccine and populace ok so production capacity high quality standards i mean this is really what the justification is here what are the potential consequences of germany not backing the proposal. well this will ultimately decided be decided in the w t o as we've heard and in fact they've already been negotiating and arguing over vaccine wave proposals since last fall and agreement amongst the b w t o members is actually a must because this body operates on the basis of consensus so don't expec

time, who has done nothing but betray you for 47 years sellout to china, china owns him, sellout big pharma and sell out to foreign countries. the only thing he cares about is political power. >> dealing with china was most important issue and also understood that other countries aren't that interested in helping us. so he focused on getting leverage over our trading partners including china and using that leverage, that meant pressuring multinational corporations to create more jobs in the us of a and that we shouldn't squander our influence in the middle east so sending secretary of state tony blinken there today means biden's foreign-policy is dead in the water. the secretary of state is busy untangling not so very very the rest of the deep state will go back to doing nothing on the ccp or other issues. we saw this to the bush and obama years and looks like we are back to that. but if trump were still president the situation in israel would be more stable and we would have significant lessons over china. we could do a week on this topic of how trump was right from the russia collusion li

sell out to big pharma and sell out to foreign countries. the only thing he cares about is is political power. >> laura: trump recognize that dealing with china's important issue and understood that other countries are not that interested in helping us. he focused on getting leverage over our trading partners including china and using the leverage to approve the terms of trade. that meant pressuring multinational corporations to agree more with jobs in the u.s. of a. he understood that we should not squander the influence in the middle east. send during the secretary of state they are today means that biden's foreign policy is essentially dead in the water. while there untangling knots over there, the rest of the deep state will go back to doing nothing on the cpp or other issues. we saw the plea book all through the bush and obama years and now it looks like we're back to that. but if trump were presidents, the situation in israel would be more stable and we would have significant leverage over china. we could do a week on just how the topi

. >> big pharma gained a lot of points during the pandemic in terms of stepping up and researching andproblem. does it risk losing that political capital if it says, hey, this is not fair >> well, i think what's interesting is a good source at both pharma and biowere trying to work with the administration to provide these vaccines to coordinations at cost and many are already doing these at cost as a nonprofit activity for poor countries i think there's a lot of different ways to come at this but eroding intellectual property or forcibly taking it, after companies have done amazing work to bring this technology to the world is a real shot in the arnl, -- arm, not to use that pun. but if you really step back and think about what they're doing here they're really weakening the intellectual property system of our country and they're setting a precedent that i think is the beginning of a very slip ery slope, particularly in a economy that wants to be knowledge-based economy, intellectual property rights are so important. so there's dozens of other ways to help the poor nations get the vacc

, but, you know, after a pandemic, right, when we've seen big pharma step up in interesting ways andanks being perhaps a key to a recovery, perhaps more confidence coming from their executive ranks >> yes some confidence coming from that by the way, for most of their responses when facing the tough democratic questions they have decent statistics to push back on what i would also say, could differ from the sound bites so far, there is a bit more of a partisan divide. when we see the hearings with the big tech companies it's pretty universal against the tech companies five to ten years ago when the banks were facing these hearings it was universal against the bank ceos. the republicans are coming out a little bit more in support or maybe not in support of the bank, but critical of some of the questioning from their democratic colleagues. for example, there was a highlight that the biggest banks, four biggest banks in the world, are chinese banks do we want to hinder the u.s. banks from being the best in the world? a little bit of support coming for them or perhaps lack of outright cri