according to the center for lesbian rights, somewhere along the lines of a third of lesbian, bigeter use had some exposure there >>> you get the sense that mr shwabb is happy. >> he has set his own goal of success. you know, he mentioned clearly that sometimes he still has the same sex attraction. for him it's about not acting out as much. by that standard, he says he succeeded. a lot of other people would say no, you haven't. >> we heard of stories of people locked in rooms, dropped in conversion therapy. what does he say? >> he says, and the few i spoke to who are members of the ministry, but would not come on camera, that it is not force, it's voluntary. you have to wonder about the cities and worlds in which they live. if they feel they need to go to something like this. some were married. some have children, they are dealing with the same sex attraction. if this has become - if it becomes illegal and state's ban it, will it force it underground. >> that's a tricky part. to his credit general assembly says that is what he wanted to happen. if he has licensed professionals adminis