that's auto bigraph cal and i got into this. i do think the national constitution center is a great public space and i really got to know gordon when he was the founder of the academic. >> you start very young, but let's say that you didn't have such parents and you get to college and you are required to take a course on the history of the constitution. i am required to take the course. how do you engage me. >> i think toll picks is sport. it can be fun. if can know about the baseball team and the football team, you can follow politics and know your presidents and every july 4th, we need materials. kid and family friendly and a secular idea. we are not using -- and president's day as for proper occasions. to come up with colors and families. >> there too many sales out there and that's the problem. >> it can be like teams and competitions. kids like to compete and on knowing your constitution and the founders and politics. it's like following fun. >> what always strikes me is most people know at least a little bit about the decl

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