if bill barr knew it was b.s.hy was he scooping it or hoisting it on us? so bill barr has a mixed record on this. to me what matters most is what you did at the time of crisis. what he did when the big lie was being built, when the flames were being flamed. it was part of that. did he change course late in the game? yes, he did. he can't escape accountability for the fact that he helped fan these flames. >> and you proposed specific reforms for the justice department. among them, clarifying the ban on foreign election aid, clarifying communication between white house staff and top officials at the justice department. you call for reenforcement in the ethics and recusele process. >> remember, the model report. bill barr wrote the audition memo before he became ag where he pre-judged the report and said it is fatality misconceived, robert mueller's investigation. that means dead. you would have to recuse yourself as a prosecutor if you gave that opinion. sure enough, he did us exactly what he told us he should have

rhythm of managing the violence and something similar mayor lori lightfoot told me as well. >>> was bill barrn office, scandals bubbling up months after his departure, including how the doj seized reporters' phone records. joining me now to discuss is elie honig, senior political legal analyst for cnn and author of the new book "hatchet man" how bill barr corrupted the justice department hits bookshelves tomorrow. welcome. congratulations. thank you for joining us for your first book interview. >> thank you, john. it is my first book. i saw it i don't know if this is allowed or not, it's on the bookshelves now. that's a moment as you know having written books yourselves. >> it's a big moment and that means people can go out and buy it. let's go do that. the initial sales matter the most. this is a really well-written book, not surprisingly. you do not need to be a lawyer to appreciate the moral story it tells and how it contrasts with your life as a prosecutor given the surprising absence of prosecution experience of bill barr's justice department. i want to ask, you don't pull any punches. y

i'm not buying that from bill barr. >> congratulations on the book. what the people in the room would say if you have a nice hunter biden original over your shoulder as you speak. >>> from the world of twitter, what do we have, smerconish -- hey trump -- i should read it this way -- hey trump waterboy does hunter work in the white house and is he making millions and getting -- i'm not against hunter. were you not listening? i'm all for hunter earning a living. he's entitled to earn a living. you just need to -- this is a tale as old as time. like, these sort of issues go back as far back as billy bier. jimmy carter had to deal with this sort of a thing on his watch. it's hard to set the parameters for -- yeah, there you go, for the family members. i'm for hunter, i want hunter recovered and earning a great keep. the issue is how do you set it up in a way that's not going to fuel the conspiracy theorists and give fodder to fox for the next year. oh, the gallery owner, he's going to police this? you got to be joking. transparency. let us all watch like

bill barr was one of the perpetrators of that lie and many times in between that have got enforgottenj to promote a political agenda. can it be okay for an attorney general to consider politics and what made barr different from other ags before him? obviously people talk about eric holder. when he was barack obama's attorney general referred to himself as the shield for barack obama. this is not robert -- kennedy was the attorney general for his brother the president. this is not unheard of. >> two distinctions. one never okay for the attorney general to let politics interfere with the prosecutorial function. what you cannot do is let politics get into the prosecution game. here bill barr staefd donald trump, roger stone, michael flynn. i think that cross as line and goes way beyond anything that any other four ags, republican and democrat that i ever served under did. >> sounds like bill barr is on a rehab tour. he refers to donald trump's lies as b.s.. let's remind viewers of the voter fraud lies he peddled. >> there are several states that only have mail in voting including -- >> t

bill barr lied to the american public. things than people remember, which i lay end to end in this book by doing that, he destroyed the most fundamental value that i was taught as a doj prosecutor. >> the book, here it is "hatchet man" how bill barr broke the prosecutor's code is just avai available. elie honig is the author. thanks for watching. i'm wolf blitzer "the situation room." follow me on twitter and instagram. tweet the show @cnnistroom. "erin burnett outfront" starts now. >>> "outfront" next, dr. anthony fauci says listen to the cdc, not pfizer when it comes to vaccines. the principle responds here. >>> the justice department just releasing some of the most graphic video we've seen of the deadly insurrection as the chairman of the january 6th select committee says his group will meet with or without republicans. benny thompson is "outfront". >>> we're learning details what manhattan prosecutors may do to get trump's top money man to flip on him. let go "outfront". >>> good evening.

bill barr among them. he came forward way too late in december of 2020.at, wonderful. the problem is absent from his rehabilitation tour is any mention. i cover this in depth in the book is the fact for six months leading up to the election when the big lies of election fraud was spread and catching fire, he was one of the main people fanning the flames and did it as attorney general. so that credibility i talked about that doj seal was behind him. he went on national tv, he went in front of congress and said there is this enormous election fraud. he had no facts to back it. he is to blame. i'm not going to let him revise history after the fact now. >> the new book is hatchet man, how bill barr broke the prosecutors code and corrupted the justice delaware allen honig, thank you very much for coming on the show, congratulations on the book. >> thanks for having me. >>> we have a notable passing from the film world. filmmaker robert downie, sr. downey, sr., father of robert downey, jr. he was in 1969 the western jesus greaseer's palace in 1972. he was only

because bill barr is a nice man. bill barr and the republicans are too nice. too nice. these are vicious people and it will destroy our country. hunter said he paid vast amounts of money. joe biden has all these houses. he has always been a senator or congressman. lou, i didn't know that you made that kind of money that you had mentioned. does louie gohmert have mansions all over texas? i don't think so. that is all you need, his bathroom and his bedroom and he uses his one toothbrush, right? [applause] but joe has a lot of tooth brushes, yet not a single member of our treacherous, corrupt political establishment has ever experienced anything like the deranged and demented persecution that has been directed at me, my family and whoever was with us. everybody. i came down the escalator with our great future first lady. [cheers] she was great. she did really well, until she met me. so much for that career. [laughs] she is the coolest and most confident person. she gets it better than anybody. and she loves you people. she loves you. [cheers and applause] all these witchhu

it says as spring wore on, bill barr came to believe that president trump was squandering his hopes fore was losing. i feel you are going to lose the election, barr said. i feel you are actually losing touch with your own base. he keeps going. you're going to lose because there's going to be enough people who otherwise would vote for you who are just tired of the acrimony, the pettiness, the punching down and picking a fight at every moment and the apparent chaos, and they're just going to say we're tired of this -- i'm not going to say the curse word but it begins with an "s." phil, what i found fascinating about that is that bill barr was telling the president you're losing touch with your base. how did he know that when from those of us on the outside it seemed as though bill barr was, you know, the ultimate yes man for trump? >> you know, jonathan, it appeared from the outside throughout the presidency that barr was the president's political hatchet man, his yes man, in some ways his personal lawyer. and yet behind the scenes barr did at moments, like the one you just described, try

that didn't stop him writing a letter to trump claiming that trump's own attorney general bill barr prevented him from investigating voter fraud and election irregularities. you need to take everything bill

bill barr spent about six months leading up to the election as one of the issues is he's responsible anuary 6. >> william barr was a respected lawyer and member of the sort of legal community for a very, very, very long time. he wasn't a lifelong trump loyalist. >> usually these politicians that is he hoping that jim where i -- >> bill barr, like many decent people before him, got pulled into the trump world, became intoxicated with the power and compromised his morlz, his values and his judgment as a result. bill barr has this very extreme persian of the law, where his shittleed sub shown and we also, and i quote, god's law is the only proper way to organize a society. so he had some he can tropical storm hermine views. bill barr gets away with a lot of this because unlike jim jordan or marjorie taylor greene, he. this stuff is damaging and he did it while he was the attorney general. again, the book is "hatchet man" sfmplt. >>> later, will republicans kompl. details ahead. you want to follow this. this is a gamechanger, who dares to be fearless even when her bladder leaks. our softe

you've written a new book on the legacy of former attorney general bill barr. you write that barr brought to the attorney general's job a dangerously distorted conception of his own power to impose that social order on what he saw as the needy, dim-witted masses. explain that point of view as you see it and what effect it had on the doj's work? >> jim, going into writing this book and i knew and it was clear to a lot of people that bill barr was dishonest, had lied to the american publix and he absolutely played politics with the justice department. we saw him do that again and again to protect donald trump and his allies. what struck me as i researched the book, bill barr has been a real culture warrior. we found things he wrote and said back in the 1990s about the need to impose, and i quote, god's law on our society, on our governmental institutions. when he took office as attorney general, he really went about in this sort of extreme way striking back against what he called secularism, meaning non-religious government. he said back in the '90s, it's my missi

bill barr did not tell us that.e came to the obstruction ofjustice he made out an overwhelming case that donald trump obstructed justice. bill barr did not show us that but told us no obstruction, no obstruction and a month later did he would use them on the report. not only was he dishonest, multiple federaljudges from both parties found that he was dishonest about the report. robert muller said the same thing. so not only was he dishonest but he held it back. he really manipulative for a month while his false story to cold here and became the narrative. to say that the reason he did not run the department ofjustice property, the department ofjustice property, the reason why he did not step back from what donald trump wanted is because he did not serve time in court as a prosecutor like yourself. in the reviews of the book that has been done people point out that he was not the only prosecutor in the department ofjustice. there are other prosecutors who decided not to proceed donald trump and over rais m'bolhi repo

attorney , highly respected in pennsylvania, that bill barr would not allow him to investigate voter fraud. can you believe it? you have to understand, philadelphia is the second most corrupt place, so i understand. so i understand, and the nation. you know what the first is, detroit. detroit was so corrupt, philadelphia was so corrupt. but the u.s. attorney was not allowed to investigate. this just came out in a letter, you don't even know about this, that's a big one, what do you think? we have a letter, you will have to get it from him. get it from the u.s. attorney, but i'm sure he will be willing to provide it, but he's giving it to us. but i saw that, he was all enthused, then all of a sudden

bill barr did that throughout his two years.ice department. the justice department will recover. but it will take time, it will take new policies and it will take better people. >> i look forward to talking about this book, "hatchet man: how bill barr broke the prosecutors' code and broke the justice department." and our thanks to you, amanda carpenter. >>> up next, the murder of a golf pro and two others at a georgia country club. details when we return. ♪ ♪ ♪ hey google, turn up the heat. ♪ ♪ ♪ what's on the horizon? the answers lie beyond the roads we know. we recognize that energy demand is growing, and the world needs lower carbon solutions to keep up. at chevron, we're working to find new ways forward, like through our venture capital group. backing technologies like electric vehicle charging, carbon capture and even nuclear fusion. we may not know just what lies ahead, but it's only human... to search for it. (upbeat pop music in background throughout) team usa is ready for the olympic games... ...and so is sharon! she go

you called bill barr a liar and he lied to us over and over again.> i would start with the very beginning when he lied about the mueller investigation. i would finish and i do in the book with lies about the election lie. he's trying to revise history by doing puff pieces in the media reminding us at the very end after the election, he turned and said there is no evidence of election fraud. the problem is for months leading up to the election, he fanned the flames and many times in between and laura you know as a former prosecutor yourself, the number one asset you have is your credibility. it was shocking for me to watch the top prosecutor in the entire country lie through his teeth to the public over and over. >> so what will bill barr be most remembered for? >> compromising the integrity of the justice department and for compromising the political independence of the justice department. when you are any prosecutor, you have enormous power but when you're the attorney general, you have almost unfathomable power and bill barr abused that power to co

bill barr did that throughout his two years.ple look at the justice department. they will be back. the justice department will recover. but it will take time, it will take new policies and it will take better people. >> i look forward to talking about this book, "hatchet man: how bill barr broke the prosecutors' code and broke the justice department." and our thanks to you, amanda carpenter. >>> up next, the murder of a golf pro and two others at a georgia country club. details when we return. you need an ecolab scientific clean here. and here. which is why the scientific expertise that helps operating rooms stay clean now helps the places you go too. look for the ecolab science certified seal. talk to me. what do we got? when you have xfinity xfi, with blazing speed... [ screaming ] a powerful connection. that's another level. and ultimate control. power us up. you can do more than you ever thought possible. yes! hold on. get a powerful and secure connection you can count on. only with xfinity xfi. and see f9 only in theaters.

trump had with then attorney general bill barr. dent would lose and he was going to lose the upcoming election and told him that straight up in a private meeting in the oval office. saying "i feel you are going to lose the election." barr said "i feel like you are losing touch with your own base." barr was fed up watching the daily covid briefing, remember those free wheeling on discipline to say the least and president trump's frequent attack on political enemies. what's interesting here president trump's kind of uncharacteristic response. he was reportedly oddly silent, not interrupting or trying to regain the floor as he usually did. the president had listened without emoting for a long time. he did not ask any questions. he did not push back. now, the book says, as barr's spiel came to an end, trump nodded and said he appreciated the advice. barr left hopeful that the president had really taken his message to heart, but he couldn't be sure. we now know the answer to that. i should note msnbc has not verified this account. i brin

. >> see, i thought you were sticking up for bill barr because you were worried you were becoming tooular for the left. you want to remind people you're a conservative lawyer. >> no, i've had my -- i've said some things about bill barr in the past. >> very interesting. yo george, it's great to have you here. >> have a good 4th. >>> house republicans not exactly lining up to get on the new january 6 committee. we're going to have reaction from a democrat who is on it next. >>> also ahead, the deleted tweets that could come back to haunt a republican senate hopeful. plus. ♪ billy ray cyrus is live in studio. berman can't wait. i can't wait, with a preview of cnn's big 4th of july event. ♪ your cloud... it isn't just a cloud. it's everything flowing through it. and it's more distributed than ever. one company takes you inside. giving you visibility and insight...to take action. one company... securely connects it all... on any platform, in any environment. between your cloud and being cloud-smart, there's a bridge. cisco. the bridge to possible. >>> breaking overnight, new police body ca

bill barr leaves the next day.ntractors to look at the other side of the communications. and then i started looking at the cdrs. when you're looking at the call detail records. what they're looking at there, they're looking at the communications and will probably try to match those email communications on one side with the call detail records to see who they were talking to and who the possible leakers were. at that point you just do this some waiting and a social network analysis and look at where their centers of gravity are, the specific individuals that they're talking to the most. that to me is probably what was going on there. so looking at the timing of this and looking at what katie just brought up about how this happened, when it happened, what it showed, i think you had panic in the administration by that time. they were looking for something that they could go off on in order to get polling or turn it around. to do that they politicized something that had been far long gone when you're talking about thre

and all those things are things bill barr broke, violated, various scandals. his interference from the flynn and stone cases, his failure to do anything on ukraine, all the way through. i take it to bill barr here, i think there needs to be accountability because he broke those principles that i was raised on. >> bill barr is now publicly in some interviews talking about he basically says he tried behind the scenes to tell donald trump at the time, no, there's no election fraud, it's all b.s., as he says. so that's the first time that we're really hearing his story. i know you have expressed skepticism at some of this. >> well, he did do that in december, three weeks after the election. what he's leaving out of his image reclamation tort that i don't leave out of this book in the six months leading up to the election he helped fan the flames of the big lie. he was out there in national media in front of congress saying there's this enorm s election fraud and we can't do anything about it. i'm sorry, he cannot worm out of it now. he has direct responsibility fo

you need to take everything bill barr says with an enormous grain of salt but barr's statement is any investigating allegations of election fraud is false. he called mcswain to confront him of the letter and mcswain told him he was in a tough spot because he wanted to run and he needed trump's at least neutrality if not support. look, pennsylvania is a swing state. very winnable for republicans. going to be a mid-term. trump won it in 2016 by less than 1%. biden won it by a little over 1% in 2020. just imagine what would have happened if someone like mastriano, barletto why governor. imagine what would happen? that is the precipice we are currently dangling over. we'll turn to michelle goldberg and will bunch, national columnist with the philadelphia inquirer. will, let me start with you as someone who has been covering pennsylvania politics for a long time. the mcswain attempt to get himself in there seems, you know, rather pathetic and gross but he understands the weight a trump endorsement will get him. mastriano because he's pursuing the big lie will get it. >> i think you're righ

you know, there's accounts of bill barr that have come out about different things that bill barr did or said. there was no greater enabler of donald trump than bill barr. so i understand the importance that these individuals played in the historic moments after the election and how the country was on its edge, but these were folks that were still there after four years of donald trump being president. these were people that had seen the president act upclose. i guess some of them thought they needed to be there to stop trump from hurting himself and hurting the country. and i understand the unusualness of that phenomenon. but at the same time, i don't think many of us were surprised by donald trump's behavior after the election. >> and kasie right in the middle of this week when we're getting these breathtaking excerpts from the book about what happened leading up to january 6th, what happened on that day, and what happened afterward, you would think it might give some republicans pause and yet the house republican leader kevin mccarthy was at bed minister yesterday, kissing the ring

we're going to impeach bill barr, we're going to impeach him. he became different.e different, i got 'em peached twice. -- impeached twice. i became worse. [cheers and applause] i became worse. so i guess i can understand it. but i just a day ago received a statement from the u.s. attorney, highly respected, in pennsylvania that bill barr would not allow him to investigate voter fraud. can you believe it? now, you have to understand, philadelphia is the second most corrupt place, so i understand, okay? so i understand, in the nation. you know what first is? detroit. detroit was so corrupt. philadelphia was so corrupt. with but the u.s. attorney was not allowed to investigate. this just came out in a letter. you don't even know about this, devin, right? matt, that's a big one. what do you think? we have a letter. you'll have to get it from him. but i want to stay out of it. get it from the u.s. attorney. i'm sure he'll be willing to provide it, but he's given it to us. he was all enthused and then all of a sudden it was like he was turned off and so were others. this

the big lie, and for months, his attorney general bill barr gave that lie legitimacy. ehind the scenes barr thought it was, quote, bs. this is what your book is about. you wrote the book on barr. how much responsibility does he bear? >> he has absolutely real responsibility for the big lie, and for january 6th. the story of donald trump's enablers needs to be told here. bill barr is one of the most powerful and i think most dangerous of those enablers. he's on a bit of a revisionist history trying to remind everybody late in the game he stood up and said sls no evidence of election fraud. what he's neglecting is mention is for months leading up to the election, he was one of the leading cheer leaders, really, about election fraud, and he did it from his seat as attorney general which to me was remarkably dangerous and helped spread this. i want to say one other quick thing. this is my first book. i owe thanks to you and your viewers an our viewers. i heard from so many of them over the last two years who were concerned about the abuses they were seeing coming from the j

and bill barr should know, he spent the last two years with his lips very close to that bull's ass. (aid-- ( applause ) barr said that he was urged to speak out by senate minority leader and little boy who will not open his mouth for the airplane-- mitch mcconnell. mcconnell would have spoken the truth himself last december, but he needed the former president's help to ensure that the g.o.p. won the two runoff elections in georgia, which they lost. ( cheers and applause ) in the end, mitch mcconnell sold his soul for nothing. so, a pretty fair price. ( laughter ) america has moved on. we've got a shiny new president, who might be building some shiny, new roads. because last week, joe biden reached a deal with a bipartisan group of senators on a $974 billion infrastructure proposal. their previous disagreements are now water under the bridge. or over the bridge, the bridges are falling down at this point. now that they've reached a deal, those bipartisan senators have to get their colleagues to sign on, and one republican doing some of the convincing is louisiana senator and man saying

before the election, tomorrow bill barr is willing to entertain and help with these notions, after the election, the mood and the relationship really changes and you know barr leaves as that relationship has soured. and rosen is sort of left there to try to manage the situation and not upset the apple cart, essentially. and there is a really dangerous dance. one former official described it to me as you know the department was on a nice edge trying to both listen to the president, not blome off or anger him or incite a greater confrontation and at the same time, not let the justice department be used for something as alarming and, you know, counter factual. >> tell tell me about donahue here. the notes strike me as not an accident. who is he, what's his role at this point? >> right. so richard donahue is a long-tame justice department employee. he, you know, at one time he was the u.s. attorney in brooklyn. he has been a senior aide in the justice department. at the time of these notes are taken. he has been a senior aide inside the justice department for the trump administration. he's

the quotes that make bill barr look good. -- spending hours to get her dad to speak of one six. the chairman of the joint so of staff give people a reading guide to how this works and why wishing to blame the authors who are interviewing these folks? >> put everything in context, in the context of what people say now they were doing behind the scenes with what they were doing in public. as they were doing things in public that advanced and enabled attacks on our democracy, that should not be forgotten even if there is a credible account trying to do something behind the scenes. one thing that this surprise me, people trying to burnish their reputations. a lot of people doubled down on what they did during the trump administration, and the support for former president trump. now in ways i found surprising since the january 6th attacks that we haven't seen more of these efforts, it's more surprising than we have seen some of them to me. >> it's a good bet those burnish-ing their trump reputation face a primary challenger in 2022. susan, final question about the book business. the

bill barr did intervene to lessen that sentence for roger stone.mething the president was very animated about to the point where bill barr had to school him and said you cannot be reacting this way. you need to let us do our job independently at the justice department. host: police in california, democratic caller. you are next. caller: thank you for writing this book. i will definitely buy it. i want to ask you not about donald trump on the sixth, but what you know about what happened on the fifth in the capitol building and that there were no tours being allowed, from what i understand from marge because of covid. all tours had been stopped yet a new congresswoman noticed that some congresspeople were giving tours to trump supporters with red hats on. there is film of this. that footage was handed over to somebody and it has never been seen since. there are representatives that are currently in office and known to all. do you know anything about what happened on the fifth? host: carol leonnig, you are shaking your head. guest: i interviewed a lot

milley saw bill barr as a guardrail, he was gone.ley felt like he was on an island here. >> absolutely. there were meetings he had with white house chief of staff, mark meadows, with then secretary of state mike pompeo in which he would do daily check-ins. and the book talks about those meetings and reports that milley was also using those meetings with meadows and pompeo to keep tabs on the president. he was trying to get a daily read on what was going on. >> so afraid he was that things were going out of bounds. jamie, thank you so much. general clark, kaitlyn, thank you for being with us. stand by for us. there are more revelations including what liz cheney said to jim jordan, the congressman, during the insurrection. and what general milley told speaker nancy pelosi over her fears that trump might fire nuclear weapons in his final days. >>> plus, the answer to the question on so many democrat's minds this morning, will the supreme court's most senior liberal justice stephen breyer retire? cnn exclusive interview where he kind of

because bill barr is a nice man. bill barr, the republicans, are too nice. they're too nice. >> [applause] >> he's a vicious, vicious people, and they will destroy our country and they will do whatever they can to do it. hunter said that he gave half of his salary to pop and that he paid vast amounts of money for joe biden's expenses. now joe biden has all these houses. he's always been like a senator or a congressman, right, for many years. i didn't know you made that kind of money that you have mansions. does louis gomert have mansions all over texas? i don't think so. got one house and that's all you need, right? wants to go home to his bathroom and bedroom and use his one toothbrush, right? >> [applause] >> no, but joe has a lot of toothbrushes. yet not a single member of our corrupt political establishment has ever experienced anything like the deranged and demeanted persecution that has been directed at me, my family, and everyone associated with us, everybody. i came down the escalator with our great future first lady. >> [applause] >> she was great a

bill barr told him straight up, mr., i have looked into these, our prosecutors all over the country have looked into these claims of a rigged election, they are nonsense. people on the day of january 6th, his chief of staff and his daughter, tried to convince him for two hours to call off the dogs. this was violent. this was not hugging and kissing and capitol police officers ushering them in the door. >> to that point, i know it was the third take from reading the book, the third take is what it took to put out any sort of a statement that his advisers thought would be helpful to sort of quell the situation. i've got to wonder what in the world was he saying in take one and take two. we'll leave that for people to figure out as they read the book. i'm curious, what donald trump was doing during the insurrection on the capitol. he was awol on most accounts. what was he doing? >> that's such an important question and it's one we tried to answer in our reporting. in talking to people who were witnessing trump that day, we

guest: bill barr is my friend and has been my friend for over 30 years. we share views on a lot of things. he does not v my views and i do notet vet his views. the library of congress reported prior to the 2020 election the use of absentee and mail-in ballots has increased exponentially. covid increased that. there's no question that at least at the time of the 2020 election that the ability to ensure the eligibility of a voter casting a ballot by mail is much more different -- much more difficult than ensuring the eligibility of a voter who casts a vote in person. voter id make sense. even democrats are now agreeing with that even though they opposed voter id laws in court through their partisans over and over. effect of the matter is that mail-in ballots and absentee ballot processes do present a greater challenge to ensuring the integrity of elections. thus, it makes sense to me that legislatures and election administers -- administrators take steps to letting that process up -- to tighten that process up as much as possible. host: his claims about pri

>> laura: former trump attorney general bill barr does ask the right question. ould we send our tax dollars to schools that end of teaching our kids to hate each other and hate the country? here's what barr is talking about. this is a video used in schools across the country meant to soften the blm riots as we saw last summer as we see it packaged in this kind of harmless cartoonish fashion meant to kind of ennewer kids into the structural methods. >> a built in system of bias that makes life easier for white people and more difficult for black people and people of color. black men are killed by police at more than twice the rate of white men. like on may 25, 2020. that's when a black man named george floyd died in minneapolis minnesota. the demonstrations aren't only about mr. floyd, they're about a pattern of violence against black people and a tendency for our suffering to go unnoticed. >> laura: now, that video is being shown across elementary schools in the united states, even in red states. but parents are standing up to this racial bullying and misrepresen

a joke about that himself this weekend, and got cheers after criticizing former attorney general bill barr for catering to democrats who are threatening nothing to impeach him, acknowledging his own continued decline. >> we want to impeach him, we will impeach bill barr. i understand that. i don't become different, i got impeached twice. i became worse. [applause] i became worse. >> it's kind of a funny comedic line, darkly. you did get worse. things to get worse in the last part of his presidency. for the last month or so, there's been one crazy report after another about just how bad it got, during his final year in office. it's all stemming in a book from michael bender who will join me in just a moment. like how trump would laugh at rudy giuliani, one of his most vocal supporters, telling him he stopped. or time on a visit to europe when he said quote, hitler did a lot of good things. he was saying, by no means, you have got to hand it to him. in his book frankly, we did win this election, the inside story of how trump lost, bender describes a scene following -- brenda describes a time

bill barr looked high and low and did not find any evidence of widespread voter fraud.this point democrats could be as complicit as republicans if they rely on the same tactics for a whole new war against gop legislation. beto o'rourke's call to action. >> an elections bill that is premised on a lie that there is widespread fraud in our elections even though there is none. a solution in search of a problem that's going to disproportionately hurt and harm some texans more than others. for those who support democracy, i encourage you to fight with all you have. do whatever it takes to make sure we preserve the right to vote in the state of texas. >> in texas at this hour, that fight is not over. it's being revived once again by democrats there. quote, at least 58 democratic members of the state house of representatives are expected to bolt from austin today in an effort to block the measures from advancing. a source familiar with their plans says the unusual move will paralyze the chamber, stopping business until the lawmakers return to town or until the session ends. the

but i think it is somewhat interesting, for all of the flaws of bill barr, the justice department did under his watch produce outcomes that they didn't love and paul, there's public integrity, you are in the public integrity unit, i think you may mean justice in which there's field -- u.s. attorney offices and then maine justice. how a case like this go through those offices where i imagine there's a lot of very close eyes if you're going to do something like this? >> yes, and the question bills to motive because all you had to do was register and then everything he did would've been legal. you literally just go online, you fill out some forms, and pay $305. his registration requirement is about national security and transparency. if you're talking to the u.s. government on behalf of another country, you have to disclose it. it's a law that's been around since the 1930s, there have been 50 criminal prosecutions, including paul manafort who pled guilty to violating this law. one of the interesting things about this indictment is that it actually presents president trump as a victim and

overturn the will of the people all for his own personal benefit. >> this conversation took place after bill barrhe office of attorney general. barr told "the atlantic" last month that trump was livid with him when he revealed that the justice department had found no evidence of widespread voter fraud. quote, my suspicion all the way along was that there was nothing there, it was all bull -- barr told "the atlantic." rosen and donahue had to know that this was going to be front and center for trump after barr left. this was obviously since september, october, plus after the election. this is what trump was singularly focused on, finding a way to use this lie to overturn the election, and now we have these notes. >> that's absolutely right. and i know exactly how those gentlemen felt. i know what it's like to have your boss leave or get fired in my case and then know that the pressure of the presidency is about to come down upon you, as it did to them and as it certainly did to me. >> you're referring to when the president fired james comey. >> that's exactly right. but i think this time line rais

and in his own way i guess bill barr did that in an interview with the associated press, but the wholef these laws are not even masquerading in something that was legitimate. there was no voter fraud, and where there were cases of it, there were people, dead people who voted for trump. let me show you something that latosha brown from black voters matter said, focusing in on one of the impediments to federal legislation. >> the first thing that we need is we actually have a solution on the table right now, for the people act. in order to get that, we've seen that the republicans have not been acting in any way that they wanted -- matter of fact, they've been open about their obstructionism. we have to end the filibuster. i have not heard the president take a hard stand around ending the filibuster on this particular issue, because what we know, what we have seen come from the courts with the decision, what we've seen with the state legislatures is we need federal legislation to protect the right of citizens to vote in this country, and we've given the democrats -- they have control of

listen to this, and then we'll talk about it. >> milley and attorney general bill barr ended up at thehite house as kind of a lark. milley was in his fatigues. he was going to visit with national guard -- the national guardsmen stationed around the city that night. barr knew they were going to push the perimeter out at some point that day. he'd wanted to see what the progress was. so they decide on, you know, kind of a, heck, let's just go to the white house moment. and what happens? they both end up in one of the most controversial political moments that people are going to be talking about, that historians will be talking about for years. >> doug, you're a historian. give me a quick response to this if you will. >> yeah. what a bizarre scene that was when trump did that, holding the bible and water cannoning american citizens. i think it comes across in the book what we felt at the time, that trump was usurping his power, was acting with a dictatorial and authoritarian bent and was willing to ruin the careers of pentagon officials, career soldiers just to do his media stunt, the phot

we're going to impeach bill barr. impeach him. he became different. i understand that. i didn't become different. can got impeached twice. i didn't change. i became worse. [ cheers ] >> i became worse. >> i mean, it's sort of a funny comedic line, darkly. i became worse. you did get worse. things did get worse in the last part of his presidency. for the last month, there's been one crazy report after the other about how crazy it got, stemming from michael bender who is going to join me in just a minute, like how trump would laugh at rudy giuliani, but of his most vocal supporters and tell him he, quote, sucked. or the time on a visit to europep when he told john kelly, hitler did a lot of good things. prompting john kelly said you by no means have got it. in his book, frankly, we did win this election, the inside story of how trump won, he said, quote y have done all this stuff for the blacks. it's always jared telling me to do it, they all fing hate me. >> he told his team he wanted the military to beat the f out of the civil rights protesters. just shoot them, trump s

former ag bill barr failed to investigate election fraud.e came in with a semibang and went out with a whimper. quick response with each of you. does trump score points attacking the man who he appointed to run the justice department? >> i think there is always going to aback and forth. president trump when he gets attacked he punches back and punches back hard. but you know it is difficult without the amplification on social media. howie: okay. clarence, just previously, this is the second straight attorney general who donald trump went after who was also very unhappy of course with jeff sessions. does the media narrative turn on trump is unheap attorney general that wouldn't do his bidding or certainly entitled to punch back here? >> certainly not much nuance is there, howard? this is president trump. before he became president. he is a quick temper and praise you to the hilt if you do something he likes. if you don't, suddenly you're the devil. that is just part of the trump beat. howie: all right. let me get a break here ahead. ari fishe

today trump released a response that said, quote, bill barr never once told me he thought i was goinglose the election. in fact, it was quite the opposite, he told me that i should win. with that, let's bring in susan page, best-selling author, eugene daniels, white house correspondent for "politico," and dr. vin gupta, specializing in these kinds of illnesses. he's also on the faculty at the university of washington institute for health, metrics and evaluation. notably, dr. gupta just finished moderating a seminar on fighting pandemic misinformation and securing the public's trust and that's why i would like to begin with you tonight, doc. what did you share with the people there and what did you tell them was your number one concern right now? >> brian, good evening, thank you as always for having me. the main thesis out here is we can diagnosis that the tech companies or bad actors out there are putting out bad information. but how do we actually train armies of future health care professionals, young public health professionals to actually communicate simply and effectively to the

it felt so frequent a demand and a request from the president that bill barr told aides he was tiredg to the white house because he knew what the conversation was going to be. let's send troops in. the president wanted to burnish his image and look like a tough law and order guy because he wanted to win re-election. and all those people inside the administration saw right through it. and they worked to stop him. >> of course, they made up for a lot of that in lafayette park alone. phil, as i read it, your scheduled interview at mar-a-lago was for an hour. it went for two and a half, or there abouts. for people who will never get that distinct pleasure of sitting down for that long, what is it like? b, what shocked you the most during that conversation? >> well, brian, it was an entirely bizarre season for carol and me. we came to the interview and trump wanted to hold it in what is effectively the lobby at mar-a-lago at the dinner hour so scores of his dinner guests were parading past us as we were trying on interview him about the serious substantive matters of his presidency. he is

>> well, it says to me that, you know, bill barr for all of his flaws as an attorney general, i think there are many, we saw him intervene many times to stop them from going forward to overturn their recommendations, that there were some cases that maybe just because they were so strong he didn't intervene in or wasn't able to intervene or maybe made the case they were righteous cases. this case clearly if you look at the evidence in this indictment today, the evidence is pretty strong and i don't know, you know, if the attorney general didn't stop it because it could have been too politically costly. does he have other cases that he intervened in or a case that ought to be forward because it is a good case. it is somewhat interesting that for all of the flaws of bill barr the justice department did produce outcomes donald trump didn't love. >> paul, the public integrity unit, you worked in that i think in maine justice, which there's field office ones or in the u.s. attorney's offices and the main justice. you know, how a case like this goes through those offices where i imagine ther

bill barr did so much to humor donald trump, and yet it wasn't enough.ean, it wasn't enough, because as described in i think jonathan karl's excerpt which covers some of the same material, it wasn't enough for trump because trump -- barr didn't, at the end of the day, engage in litigation on behalf of the fake election fraud claims. he didn't indict hunter biden. he didn't issue the durham report. he didn't indict jim comey. nothing was ever enough for donald trump. and the reason why it got so out of hand was, you know, people didn't push back at the interim steps. they acceded to some of his desires and wishes in certain ways, and barr was the biggest -- one of the biggest people humoring trump. and it just gets worse and worse and worse. and that's what happened. that's why i said just a moment ago, i wish mike pence had pushed back a little more. but then again, you know, he wouldn't be renominated in 2020, and that's the risk he was pushing. and with barr, he runs the risk of being fired. that was sort of the moral of the story in a lot of ways abou

now, the trump administration, as tim said, bill barr came up with this convoluted legal theory that,doesn't really apply even though it says shall. so we are not turning over anything, unless the courts force us. today, the biden doj reversed that. shall furnish means shall furnish so we are going to turn it over, unless the courts stop us. so now, the ball is in trump's court. either, if he does nothing, then those tax returns are going to congress. or he can try to file a lawsuit to try to stop this but he is looking at a serious, uphill climb there, legally. >> but that could take a long time, couldn't it? i mean, why wouldn't he just try to tie this up in the courts? >> yeah, that's a strategy, anderson. exactly, given his history, i think it's likely he does try. >> tim, yeah, sorry, you were saying given his history? >> sorry, i didn't mean to interrupt, elie. sorry. i think in there, they have basically given him a 72-hour window to try to come back at this. so, they -- they clearly have said, we are opening a door. if you want to contest it but that door is not going to stay

similar to bill barr filtering the truth. this has nothing to do is who broke into the capitol. it is another example of creating a crisis in order not to waste it. just, tennessee, republican line. caller: i would like to make a few points. obviously, the covid increase has been caused by open borders, coming to texas mainly. it is not a coincidence that all these traders who left texas go to d.c.. not a coincidence that they also have the virus. as far as i'm concerned, blm does not stand for black lives matter. blm stands for big lie movement. most of the colors i have noticed on the program have either been democrats or rhinos -- rino's. we basically have only two political parties anymore -- the republicans and the socialists. host: richard, georgia, democrat side. caller: i would like to make the point that at no time have you seen the blm marches attacked the capitol. the insurrectionists during january sixth wanted to assault democracy and the constitution. jim jordan ought to be ashamed of himself and lindsey graham. i want to get into lindsey graham's head to straighte

he was ecstatic to describe to us that bill barr failed him in the end and got worried about media criticism and failed by not doing what he needed to do to investigate and prosecute the allegations of fraud that trump said existed and called nonsense. he finally gets to tell his version of the reality. even if it doesn't stack up with the truth, he gets to say it. >> a lot of the coverage in your book that you've gotten with glowing reviews and you've made news everywhere with this which also is an estimate to how much is there, the idea that a presidency that was reported on so exhaustively for four years and especially in the past year, you were able to get jaw dropping new information and some the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, extraordinary kind of blow-by-blow account with donald trump supporters and the comparisons with nazi germany that could take a step. it's not like a random thing but as a military officer in the united states chosen for that job by donald trump. my question to you, you show his break precedes at least a bit of the infamous walk that took extraordinary he