. >> bill barr. >> bill barr to keep him in check. no more people keeping him in check. it wouldn't be surprising, and ann is an expert on this, it wouldn't be surprising to see him pull out of nato. >> let's talk about that. ann, your essay focuses on nato, the european treaty existing since world war ii, basically to be a check on what was then the soviet union, now russia. as trump once said, i don't give a shit about nato. that's my second shit. oh, my third. every time i'm quoting somebody -- every time i'm quoting trump. you argue even if trump is leaving nato, it might not matter. you write when i ask people what would happen to europe, ukrainian, even taiwan and south korea, if trump refuses to observe article 5, all of them agree that faith and collective defense could evaporate quickly. explain what that looks like. >> what people don't realize is nato isn't just a treaty. it's a kind of psychology. it's not that russia is afraid to attack poland because we wrote something down in a treaty and somebody signed it and ratified it. it's because he genuinely believ

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i think bill barr also will be a witness. and regardless of the baggage, and they have significant baggage in terms of their towing the line for the trump administration. in many ways that makes them better witnesses in terms of their credibility. and as i've said about mike pence is he is both a really devastating witness and also an exhibit because you can compare somebody who had the exact same interest as donald trump who is on the ballot, who had every interest if there was fraud in the election to say it, who's modeling what you do in this country when you lose, i mean this is like -- this is what parents -- any normal parent is teaching, you know, a child, which is if you lose, that's it. it's over. you take -- >> this is how you lose. >> right, exactly. and so i think he'll have quite a struggle with this. i think the same is true with bill barr especially given how much he did for donald trump, and certainly other people in the mueller investigation are very aware of how much he did. but there's a line he was not wil

i think like bill barr as well will be a witness. regardless of the baggage and they do have significant baggage in terms of their toeing the line for the trump administration, in many ways that makes them better witnesses in terms of their credibility. and as i've said about mike pence, he is sort of a really devastating witness it and also an exhibit. because you can't compare somebody who had the exact same interest as donald trump was on the ballot, who had every interest if there was fraud in the election to say it, who is modeling what you do in this country when you lose. this is like what parents, or any normal parent's teaching a child, which is if you lose that's it, it's over, you take your bumps and you go home. exactly. so i think he will be quite a strong witness. i think the same is true with bill barr, especially given so much a much he did for donald trump and certainly i and other people in the mueller investigation were very aware of how much he did. but there was a line he was not willing to cross. >> given the sc

calling bill barr a coward in the abstract could be about anything. if he said bill barr is a coward, and i don't think he has the courage to come to the trial and testify, that might across the line. as it is, bill barr is a an epithet, but not a violation of the gag order. >> donald trump was supposed to be testifying today, but decided not to. maybe his lawyers decided it wasn't a good idea to end the case on a bad note with the judge. we saw what happened with the judge when the defense called him or when the prosecution called him to testify. we're going to wait on the judge's decision i that case. it's still ongoing. we should probably get something in january. is that what you expect? >> i expect a few weeks after january. closing arguments are january 11th, and judge arthur engoron said he will take a few weeks to make up his mind and issue a ruling. >> $250 million is what the ag wants. vaughn hillyard, lisa rubin, mary mccord, thank you very much. >>> ag ken paxton said it did not matter that her baby would not survive. now kate cox says she

attorney general, bill barr, not a fan of donald trump, does not want him to be e relere-elected says but he is not a fan of the ruling saying it's going to only help trump. >> i think taking these hyper aggressive positions of trying to knock trump out of the race are counter productive, they backfire. as you know, he 23feeds on agre va grievance, like a fire feeds on oxygen and this is going to be a grievance that helps him. you've been talking with donald trump's team, elayna. how are they using it to their advantage? >> reporter: they have a playbook because donald trump has been indited four times over the past year now and they're going to use the same playbook to respond to this ruling by the colorado supreme court. essentially it's to attack the decision as political interference that because donald trump is currently the republican front runner, they're trying to hurt his candidacy. they're also going after the judges on the bench specifically, something we've seen them do time and time again with his other legal challenges. arguing they're biassed against the former presiden

former attorney general, bill barr. national security adviser, mike flynn. of course, long-term trump ally, steve bannon. when it comes to former vice president mike pence, that's significant because while he has testified and been interviewed in the context of the federal investigation, he really hasn't been much of a factor in georgia so this is a first confirmation we're getting they could call him in the context of a trial. many of these other names make sense in the larger context of this investigation, but this is the first confirmation we've gotten on this secret list. >> important point. former vice president pence is someone directly involved in trump's efforts to try to overturn the presidential election. so what do these moves tell you about the prosecution's case right now? >> well, first of all, wolf, it tells me the georgia d.a., the fulton county d.a.'s case is very similar to jack smith's case. they're going to be calling a similar slate of witnesses including very powerful people up to and including the former vice president. mike pence is a

how trump talks about the two attorney generals who served in his first serve, particularly bill barr real window into who he might put in that incredibly powerful position. >> right. he feels that both of the men who served as attorney general for him, you know, betrayed him in one way or another. right? it's interesting because neither bill barr nor jeff sessions were, you know, especially critical of donald trump during his administration. in fact, i think a lot of critics would say they were fairly sickofantic. but because they weren't willing to do everything he said and because, you know, in the case of bill barr, for example, he wasn't willing to go along with trump's election conspiracy in 2020, he feels that they betrayed him. so, that is one position i've been told he will be focussed on, especially making sure that whoever has that job is extremely loyal to him. and so you mentioned some of the names, the senators, mike lee, josh hawley, ted cruz, pam bondi in florida. these are people he feels will do what he says. and that job is important to him for a couple reasons. one

bill barr saying this is a grievance that helps him. even dean phillips is out there saying this is wrong she shouldn't be thrown off the ballot. this feels like a win for donald trump. >> it does. we'll see if it is at the end of the day here. but it's a gimme for him in many ways. because it is different as elie was showing you, what the other courts have done related to this 14th amendment issue and ballot access and reminiscent of the criminal indictment that alvin brag brought in the stormy daniels case. and that's one that republicans no matter how reticent they are to donald trump's return to office, that's one they rallied to his cause and helped voters on the republican side rally to his cause as well in a substantial way and changed the calculus of the entire year. i think you're seeing that now with the colorado case it's an opportunity for those opposed to donald trump to say, this is something voters should decide and not courts. it's an easy line for them. >> taking a step back which you're so great at. the supreme court h

jacqui: well, we had bill barr today, great sound out of people, he was talking about how he could notupporting president biden and bill barr has had bad blood but to what neil was just saying, you know, is the support for donald trump so solidified that someone like bill barr might look as nikki haley as an option. >> i don't have the same view here. if nikki haley is on the ticket gives the election to joe biden. can't stomach the notion offshooting for biden, a solid place to go. i don't think they will end up in the ticket. if it were she would be problematic for the former president. jacqui: you both see it throwing the election to -- >> one or the other. >> i don't see where they get electoral vote. jacqui: 27 state ballots by the end to have year, right? >> it's an interesting dive into that and what would happen if they would throw the election to the house of representatives which allows president trump to win given composition. >> he just gave me point. jacqui: what do we have left to talk about? let's talk the about the polls because you do have the no labels folks talking a

, former president trump's attorney general bill barr had to say about this decision by the screamst frack this decision about immunity and we'll go through the normal protocol. >> it's not that bill of a deal and stypes they try to leapfrog over and if time is of the essence and the court wants to go if regular order. i believe the circuit court, the intermediate court will reach a ruling promptly. i'm not sure the supreme court will take it after that. in any event, i still think the trial may go forward during the spring, but it may not go forward as originally scheduled at the beginning of march. brian: robert, what do you think? is it a big deal or is this case still on track to perhaps get done before the election? >> as bill barr said, the most important thing that trump and his legal team have been fighting for for the last couple of months is time. they've filed numerous motions seeking more time with discovery seeking more time with trial and appealing issues such as this. but as he pointed out, the oral argument scheduled for january 9 if they render a decision within a

, jack smith's current deputy wrote a memo to bill barr saying this was inserting doj into politics, they shouldn't be able to do that, and what do you know, now they are fast tracking the timeline to get these cases before the supreme court, why, because of politics. and the 2024 election. >> john: before an election. donald trump may have the opportunity to pardon himself if convicted, he has until the 20th of december to respond. great to see you. >> sandra: thank you, thousands of migrants pouring through the southern border every single day. some aparentally are not sticking around once they are here. former acting ice director tom homan up next what migrants are now saying about america that has them turning around and going home. plus this. >> [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] [bleep] >> john: the search is on for a driver in seattle mowing down pedestrians. police ask for the public's help. you're replacing me? customize and save with liberty bibberty. he doesn't even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ with 30 grams of protein. those wh

. >> do you understand the bill barr, who has you know, was very loyal to the president while he was in office and then clearly has had a change of heart. and yet not saying categoringly that he would not vote for the former president. >> i guess i have a couple of views about that. i think there are a number of people including bill barr who were around the president, who stopped the president from doing far worse. bill barr certainly is one of the people who told the president repeatedly that what he was saying was untrue about fraud in the election and said it publicly. but i don't think that you can acknowledge and recognize the facts in the mountain of evidence that points to what donald trump did. his direct involvement in attempting to seize power and overturn an election then turn around and say you would vote for him again. i think people have to come to grips with the facts that those are inconsistent and if you'd vote for him despite what he's done, you're helping him continue as a force in the politics of this nation and that's dangerous. >> we all see historical events,

will they call everybody, will they call mike pence, will they call bill barr. people like bill barr have to get permission. they can't just waltz in and testify. justice department regulations require them to get clearance from the administration before they do that. there's also jurisdictional issues. so really at this stage, a witness list is more of like a christmas list. people i might like to call but i may not get that present. >> but bannon on that wish list? i mean, the guy who was held in contempt of congress who was convicted of that by the doj, how could he be helpful? >> i'll give you an example, let's say they're halfway through the trial and maybe one of the witnesses raises some issue, opens some door and they think, boy, maybe bannon would be good for this. but months ago we never put bannon on the witness list and the judge will not let us call him now. do i think bannon will offer the georgia prosecutors anything of value? maybe not at this point, but if they think there's anything that he could offer or that there's any chance they may call h

bill barr, thank you for being here. what is your initial reaction? >> as you know, i strongly oppose donald trump for the republican nomination. i think this case is legally wrong and untenable. i think this kind of action of stretching the law and taking hyper aggressive missions to knock trump out of the race, they are counterproductive even back fire as you know. he feeds on grievance just like a fire feeds on oxygen, this will end up as a grievance that helps him. >> the colorado supreme court made its ruling based in part on the district court, the district court found trump did engage in insurrection and this is what they said, trump acted with a specific intent to site political violence and elect oral certification. you took no effective action, took different times to intervene. it was likely to incite imminent violence and therefore, trump engaged in insurrection. does not protect trump speech. beyond the decision >> i disagree with the domain denial is due process. it requires due process. an adjudication of two core issues, in insurrectio

people like bill barr, the former attorney general. and their concern and what you hear from other people is that trump's not going to hire anyone who disagrees with him this time. he's only going to hire not only people who don't push back on him, but work to carry out his wishes. that was often a great frustration of his because he'd try to get something done and they'd say that's illegal, not doable, you don't have the authority to do that. he would push back. there's a real concern there wouldn't be the checks and balances on him because he doesn't have to worry about being re-elected again, which is something advisers would try to use previously. they'd say well, if you do this, it's going to hurt your re-election. he's not going to have the john kellys and bill barrs. as cheney warned today, house republicans basically do anything trump wants. >> he's still way, way ahead in all the polls. see what happens. thank you very, very much. important note to our viewers. we will all see her tonight for the source. let's bring in more po

ellie, i was struck by something that former attorney general bill barr told jake tapper talking about this colorado issue and why he thinks it's legally wrong. take a listen. >> i know what he said. >> it's coming. >> i watched it. >> denial of due process is fatal here, the federal investigation has not charged president trump with insurrection or incitement. it's sort of mushy, exactly what's an insurrection, what's engagement mean? now every state is going to make their own rules on this? everyone does a different thing and knocks national candidates off ballots? it'll be chaos. >> things happening in that. the insurrection question which has come up a lot, and then the point that i will say you and the former attorney general, i don't say this often, seem to agree on my friend. >> you're going to make me agree with bill bar. >> the issue here, as he says, is due process. >> here's what we have, we have colorado and now california is maybe interested in coming up with their procedure. this is not left to the states, to other procedures that may have existed in other context. part o

that's quite different what we heard from bill barr. the judge will join me next. >>> staying in our law and justice lead and the fallout from colorado supreme court's ruling barring from trump appearing on the primary ballot under the 14th amendment to the u.s. constitution. we turn now to a former federal judge, who has been a leading conservative legal voice for decades. back in august, he co-wrote an article that said, the constitution prohibits trump from being president again. he argued that the 14th amendment should be used in the precise way that colorado supreme court ruled yesterday. judge, good to see you. let's start with your reaction to what former attorney general bill barr told me about an hour ago. take a listen. >> i think that this case is legally wrong, and untenable. i think this kind of action of stretching the law taking these hyper aggressive positions to try to knock trump out of the race are counterproductive. they backfire. as you know, he feeds on grievance, just like a fire feeds on oxygen. this is going to

bill barr, who eviscerated trump on kaitlan's program this summer, said the former president shouldn't be anywhere near the oval office. he said he still wouldn't rule out voting for him. i mean, can you reconcile that? >> yeah, anderson. i have lost your audio there, but i'll tell you, look, i did catch the question. yeah, i mean, the bottom line on this is it doesn't make any sense to me, it doesn't make an ounce of sense, that a republican, who says that donald trump is a big threat, the biggest threat. he was awful in the oval office. would then turn around, purely based on politics, purely based on a dislike of joe biden's policies, when there is such a big threat. it makes no sense to me, except to say that, look, it's hard. if you would say, i'm not going to support former president trump against joe biden, you're going to lose your base. people are going to be upset at you. but, again, that's what leadership is. and just quickly on this whole, like, donald trump, kind of, you know, switching the script. keep in mind, he constantly says joe biden is weak on china. i don't agree

you were listening to former attorney general bill barr after colorado kicked trump off the gop primary ballot. the supreme court front and center in the race for the 2024 presidency and donald trump rolls out a legal tactic, delay, delay, delay. >> delay, there you go. congress meantime out for the holidays, but they left a whole lot behind, including aid for israel and ukraine, funding to keep the government open, and border security. >>> and just in to cnn. harvard's president under scrutiny. what she is doing as congress launches an investigation. this hour of "cnn this morning" starts right now. >>> we begin with the supreme court facing hugely consequential decisions at the moment that could determine the fate of donald trump and the presidential election. trump using a delay tactic in one those major cases, asking the supreme court to hold off on deciding whether he has immunity from prosecution. perez special counsel jack smith is asking for an answer because trump is about to go on trial. they are urging the court, slow down, stay out of the dispute. they say the supreme court

garland has done that, bill barr has done that. the same memo. thinking about jack smith a prosecutor in this case has until november, i would guess that he and his team are thinking actually we kind of have until may and june given our own internal policy. if they violate the policy it will be a huge problem as well. >> julie: i believe it helps the trump campaign if you look at him as the presidential candidate. if you take a look at his poll numbers. all the criminal trials seem to be helping him, which is not your usual reaction for anyone facing a criminal trial. >> it certainly has been helping him. given this policy that people at the justice department are particular about. i remember it clearly being there. they are thinking about may and june. that shortens the timeline even more. >> julie: all right. it is certainly keeping us on our toes. thank you very much for talking to us. appreciate it. so the u.s. is finally retaliating from more than 100 attacks by iran proxies on our forces in the middle east. it has been going on since octobe

i find myself in the weird position of agreeing with bill barr in terms of it helping him. help him. and so, you know, in a perfect world, if i could write the script, the supreme court would put him back on the ballot, then he would be defeated soundly. that's my -- that's what i want in my christmas stocking this year. >> again, for people listening, it may not make a ton of sense, but you're right. legally, this may be, in fact, the right call. it might be the right call for this supreme court especially to follow this reasoning, which was first put forward by a couple of federalist society scholars. but, politically, again, mike barnicle, you said this, as well, politically, there are consequences that actually -- and the blow back could help donald trump. >> i totally agree with claire. it's a massive get out the vote rally for donald trump, this se decision. that's how his people view it, and more will be fevered to support him. the flip side, joe, and, again, claire pointed it out, we were talking about it last hour, the way to defeat him, the way to put him away for

hire this time he would ensure that there would be people that would not do that, that for what bill barr has said that he won't rule out whether he did vote for trump, he was certainly somebody who blocked a lot of the things trump tried to do because he felt like they were illegal or just wrong. those kinds of people wouldn't be there. it would be them -- , recalls, the other people he insulting to top position could be even more senior roles that you work to carry out not only what he wants but also what they themselves want. i think that would be so remarkably different. that, and that he doesn't have anything to fear because it would be his last term being in. office >> congressman, earlier, a year ago, two years ago, people would say, who is he going to get to work for him in a second administration? i think we are going to see, there is enough people out there who are happy to subvert democracy or be on the winning side no matter what the effect on the country's. >> look no further than jeffrey clark the department of justice. one wanting to be the attorney general. this is before

some completely dismiss it, including former attorney general bill barr.isten. >> denial of due process is fatal here. the federal investigation has not charged president trump with insurrection or incitement. it's sort of mushy what's an insurrection, what does engagement mean. every state will make their own rules on this. everyone does it different and knocks national candidates off ballots. it will be chaos. >> bill barr kind of ticking through the three or four core arguments against it here. the last one is an interesting one to focus on. as the supreme court weighs what they're going to do here, do you have concerns about kind of a patchwork situation where several states, we've seen reject it, several decide to move forward with it, and what that means? >> i think ultimately, the ultimate decision will be made by the u.s. supreme court. but i think we have to have a place holder on you the there. i believe in our state, or statutes allow us to do this because we charged the secretary of state. that is probably one of the big differences in maine. a

. >> trump's former attorney general bill barr touched on how the uproar around the colorado ballot casend up working in trump's favor. let's play a little bit of that. >> i think that this case is legally wrong, and untenable. and i think this kind of action of stretching the law, taking these hyper aggressive positions to try to knock trump out of the race are counter productive. they backfire. as you know, he feez on grievance, as a f feeds on oxygen. this is going to end up being a grievance that helps him. >> is he right? joe biden doesn't have a strategy to combat this directly. >> he's right that trump feeds on grievances, he's always persecuted. he's best at saying, it's not that people are persecuting him, they're persecuting us. so anytime trump is attacked, his supporters are attacked, maga nation is attacked. trump has been very effective on getting his supporters and his base to internalize that. and bill barr's comments are very similar to comments made by ron desantis when he said he sort of regrets that these indictments, charges facing trump have kind of muddled the prim

bill barr has said that is a little overreach there. explore that with him tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. and this christmas stuff we've been telling you about. a lot going on at the border. doesn't bill melugin know it? the crowds get bigger. right, neil? >> cbp released their official border numbers for the month of november. coming up after the break, we'll tell you how many people across the border in november and how many people on the fbi terror watch list were arrested in november. we'll be right back. skyrizi is t il-23 inhibitor that can deliver remission and visibly improve damage of the intestinal lining. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a lower ability to fight them may occur. tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms, had a vaccine or plan to. liver problems may occur in crohn's disease. control of crohn's means everything to me. ask your gastroenterologist about skyrizi. ♪ control is everything to me ♪ learn how abbvie could help you save. >> neil: a sign of a busy times. shows the stre

just to start off, the sound bite you heard from bill barr, does that sound to you as if trump if he were to win the election could pardon himself or simply saying none of the cases will be-- will preclude him from holding office? what's your take? >> no, jacqui, i think he's saying very clearly that listen, these cases will not go forward under trump. one way or the other, whether it's pardoning himself, whether it's granting himself immunity, whether it's firing jack smith, the special prosecutor, and saying these cases had no merit. whether it's reassigning the case to his own appointed attorney general. there would be a lot of options where trump could engage in the legal battle here and make the cases go away. jacqui: so you assume then that his position assumes that trump would win the election. what if he doesn't? >> great question. so, look, i think trump's strategy clearly is to drag all of these cases out, all of the indicted cases, all investigations out as long as he possibly can, that gives him more options, and indeed, you know, what's ironic about this, jacqui, every t

so we know that people who were trump loyalists like bill barr did try to muddy up the mueller reportause they knew that it was damning for him. so would it surprise you if someone besides barr who did this as the official in charge of our -- of the justice department, would it shock you if the chief of staff participated in the same thing? >> it wouldn't shock me, but again, it would be incredibly poor judgment for mark meadows to hold on to this binder full of very sensitive intelligence and then try to use it for political purposes instead of returning it back to the national archives or other parts of the white house. so the fact that the physical binder is missing, that's problematic. the good news side of the story is that the digital copies of those individual intelligence reports are all stored with the agencies that published those reports in the first place. but still, you don't want to have that volume of physical documents apparently ten inches thick just floating around washington, d.c. somewhere and not having it be returned to the rightful place. again, if someone is tr

. >> all right, luke, i want to share what trump's former attorney general, bill barr said about the colorado ruling. >> this kind of action of stretching the law, taking these hyper aggressive positions to try to knock trump out of the race, are counterproductive. he feeds on grievance just like a fire feeds on oxygen. this is going to end up as a grievance that helps him. i think if they take it up they're gonna slap it down very quickly. i hope they do take it up quickly and slapped down. >> what do you make of that? especially giving given buyers testimony about trump and jerry six hearings, where he puts allied blame on him. >> yeah, well i think he's correct with his political analysis the donald trump will try to use this as oxygen for his campaign. he has already fundraising off the colorado decision. we've seen republicans, even ones who are quite critical of donald trump, rally around him on this issue. and even some of his other opponents in the primary are rallying around him saying he should not be kicked off the ballot, he should be on the ballot. the voters should deci

cnn spoke with trump's former attorney general bill barr about the ruling. >> i think that this case is legally wrong and untenable. and i think that this kind of action of stretching the law taking these hyper aggressive positions to try to knock trump out of the race are counterproductive, they backfire. he feeds on grievance just like a fire feeds on oxygen. and this is going to end up as a grievance that helps him. >> so what do voters in colorado think of the ballot ban? we sent gary tuchman out to find out. >> reporter: this coffee shop goes by the simple name of coffee. and it is here where we have a simple question for customers. tell me your gut feeling, do you think it is a good thing that colorado supreme court did that or not? >> you know, i'm not the biggest fan of trump, but i don't think that people should be taken off the ballot necessarily. >> reporter: this man is a political independent in a very republican county. so here in the county seat of castle rock, it is easy to find loyal trump republicans who feel the same. what do you think of the supreme court decision

and prosecute those folks who worked under him who no longer he agrees with, like attorney general bill barr. he was to go ahead and get rid of the birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants. so, it has been here forever. voters, we have got more. he wants to go ahead and fire at least 50,000 civil servants largely due to the department of justice and other federal's.why? he wants to be able to appoint his own. he wants to go ahead and control the independent federal agencies such as the ftc. finally, yes, finally, among these things, he wants to terminate the constitution. so he says. >> can he terminate? he can do that on his own. terminate the u.s. constitution? >> may not be that he can do it, but he wants to do it. >> so, he wants to. what about the other things? those things he can do on his own. >> we do not know. we don't know. it has never been done, these things, before, these ideas. okay? many people think they are out of his hands altogether, but if he believes he can put the kind of people in the right places, he can do a lot of this. >> okay. very good.

bill barr in. he will interview 20 people find the one who says i don't care about the constitution just what you want me to do. the power the president has over the power of department of justice is frightening. that is why i say to my democratic friends, be careful going after the supreme court. the supreme court has held democratic norms in order and we have to keep that institution, even if you disagree with the policies coming out, as legitimized as possible because we may have to lean on the supreme court during a donald trump administration. but it is a frightening possibility. i would say make sure you vote. this is why i am concerned as much as i would love to have a third party i'm concerned about third parties in the selection. i will vote joe biden that they will take people like me and give someone else an excuse not to vote for joe biden. this is a serious moment. the good news is, if we get through this, i will say if, if we get through this i think 2028 will be marvelous. i think it

trump term or you don't have people like john kelly are people who worked in the council office, bill barr at the justice department willing to say no when trump asked them to break the law. >> this is new cover story in the atlantic with a series of articles looking at possible second trump term, we will have more of that coming up on the turn, in his first term, trumps corruption and brutality were mitigated by laziness. he would arrive with a much better understanding of the systems vulnerabilities, more willing enablers and toll -- in tow any much more focused retaliation, as trump points out, nobody like john kelly is willing to say stop, more people,'s smart people, the former omb guy. he knows how to make it happen for him, is that alarming do you think are accurate? >> i don't think necessarily the question of autocracy is an important one in legitimate want to talk about. you don't have to get there, the threshold is would it be bad taxi i will talk audience as well saying trump is not hitler, he could have repealed obama care. more seriously, you can come way short of being hitle

you know, love or hate, bill, bill barr at the right time, basically held the line against donald trump. he's going to put the opposite of bill barr and he's going to interview 20 people and find the one that says, i don't about the constitution. i only care about what you want me to do. and by the way, the power that the president actually has over the department of justice is frightening, to be honest with you because he can demand the department of justice do something and that's why i i say to my democratic friends be careful going after the supreme court, because the supreme court has held these democratic norms in order. and we've got to try to keep that institution, even if you disagree the policies coming out as legitimized as possible because we may have to lean on the supreme court under a donald trump administration, but it is a very frightening possibility. and i would say this. make sure you vote. this is why i'm concerned. as much as i'd love to have a third party, i'm concerned about third parties this election because, all they'll do is take like i'm going to vote joe bi

you know, love or hate, bill, bill barr at the right time, basically held the line against donald trump. he's going to put the opposite of bill barr and he's going to interview 20 people and find the one that says, i don't about the constitution. i only care about what you want me to do. and by the way, the power that the president actually has over the department of justice is frightening, to be honest with you because he can demand the department of justice do something and that's why i i say to my democratic friends be careful going after the supreme court, because the supreme court has held these democratic norms in order. and we've got to try to keep that institution, even if you disagree the policies coming out as legitimized as possible because we may have to lean on the supreme court under a donald trump administration, but it is a very frightening possibility. and i would say this. make sure you vote. this is why i'm concerned. as much as i'd love to have a third party, i'm concerned about third parties this election because, all they'll do is take like i'm going to vote joe bi

trump has repeatedly gone after potential witnesses, calling mike pence delusional, mocking bill barrs slow-thinking and lethargic and he tore into mark meadows, writing, some people who make that deal are weaklings and kocowards. the former president is vowing to appeal, posting online, quote, what is becoming of our first amendment? the judges say in their final paragraph of their ruling, mr. trump is a current candidate for the president but he is also an indicted criminal defendant and he must stand trial under the same procedures that govern all criminal defendants. evan, what else can you tell us? >> reporter: you could hear the reluctance certainly when we were listening to the court hearing a couple weeks ago that there was a great reluctance by these judges to ss to muzzle t former president. they understood these arguments that he does have a first amendment right as the leading candidate for president and the public does have a right to hear from him. but they also said you can't just allow complete first amendment freed herom here when comes to a criminal trial. he has to

i want to get your reaction to something bill barr said to jake tapper about why he feels that this was an irresponsible decision despite the fact that he should now we should say strongly opposes trump for the rop nominan republican nomination. take a listen. >> i think thises of hyper aggressive positions to try to knock trump out of the race are counterproductive. they backfire. as you know, he feeds on grievance just like a fire feeds on oxygen. and this is going to end up as a grievance that helps him. >> do you think he is right, could this backfire? >> you know, i think that is a great example of how you shouldn't let politics affect what you are doing in the law for judges or prosecutors. the colorado situation is not a law enforcement issue, it is a private lawsuit that has been brought. and a lot of the arguments that the more you do to stop trump or apply the law to them, it helps them, so we shouldn't do it, that really doesn't make any sense. that really goes against the notion of the law treats everybody equally. i mean, you have to apply the law and if there are political

. >> i love bill barr but he's got this wrong. trump is not a one hit wonder. and they disappear. he is in charge of the one hit wonders. all of them! he is a 2 to 10 hit wonder. >> we had covid and covid 2.0. they think trump is like covid 2.0. trump 2.0will be a very different president. he knows where the bodies are buried. he will be great. who is terrified of trump 2 went0? putin and xi jingping and probably the attorney general. >> greg: kat last word to you? >> he brings up a great point. trump is a very rich man who is powerful has a hot wife. the only thing he could not be is be a victim. but they gave him that. he has all of this stuff going for him but they are going after this guy. they add the victim thing which he should not have. >> greg: we have to move on. we'll be right back. my brain. so i choose new neuriva ultra. unlike some others, it supports 7 brain health indicators, including mental alertness from one serving. to help keep me sharp. try new neuriva ultra. think bigger. directv sports central brings your games, stats and scores together

i would say bill barr under donald trump certainly let political things get into the determinations they made. >> if the former president donald trump has a second term, he has been promising in many respect to do that very thing no the justice department. the reason he is saying he wants to do it, they are doing it now. he says they are doing it against him. there are real concerns the justice department could be entirely transformed under a trump presidency. do you share those concerns? >> absolutely. i take him at his word when he says he wants advocates for him, people who will be about retribution. when he says he wants to be a dictator for a day. i don't think he will be a person who follows just democracy on day two. i worry about who he would appoint as a deputy attorney general. as the united states attorneys across the country and what would be the instructions he gave to those people? we might not have people like who were in the justice department before who told donald trump, no, we are not going to do this. they might be people who would follow his instructions and our demo