>> i think i probably with bill bratten seized more guns in new york city than any mayor in history. maybe mike and commissioner kelly have met that record, i'm not sure. but i was the first one to really seize guns. i believe in it. i believe in getting them out of society but i don't believe it ends crime. human behavior is much more important. if you want to do a factor, 75% is human behavior, 25% is the instrument. weapons like this where people can kill, you know, multiple times very, very quickly, we should have some reasonable restrictions on the use of them. >> that is where i think this strays away from the right to bear arms. it shouldn't include those kind of weapons with those kind of magazines. >> on the other hand, it also leads to people should be able to arm themselves with handguns. people should be able to arm themselves with handguns because in a situation like that, if they just happen to have one, and this idiot has an ak-47, they can kill him. >> rudy, always good to talk to you. thank you very much for coming in. >> good to see you. merry christmas. >> merry ch