sarah: earlier the author and anticorruption activist bill browder told the bilby -- the bbc that the. is failing to implement its own legislation bill: this ishe fundamental problem. you can make as many great laws as you want but if you do not enforce them it does not have any effect and britain is the worst offender when it comes to this type of thing. the laws on our books are absolutely rocksolid but the law enforcement is a complete disaster. the governm has made all sorts of very bullish noises about being tough on russians and it tough on russian oligarchs. but here is a very real-life example. and it's not complicated. if these companies have not disclosed their owners, they should be fine. -- find. ed. just send them a bill. that has not been done and i find it disappointing. there does not seem to be any appetite or capacity to follow through on these laws. i have seen it in many other connected areas. in money laundering there has not been a single prosecution of a russian for money laundering in 22 years since putin came to power. something s to change. the government mak

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continued public feuding among the leaders of the forces were fighting for russia, joining me now is bill browder the justice campaign, co homage management and the author of the important book freezing order, a true story of my russian money laundering, murder, and surviving vladimir putin's wrath, thank you for being with us you have i talked about this for, years before there was a ukraine invasion, about the problems inside of russia and there has been a long ongoing effort inside russia, you have been part of it but amongst others to fight back on the tape pressuring suppressing regime, not just for the benefit of the russian people, but the world, people saw this coming, if you let putin and his ilk go, think of this wreck russia, the wreck other places, including ukraine and who knows what next. >> we can, we have known for a long time, he is a cold blooded killer. if he is a crook, he invade foreign countries, he shoots down passenger planes, the poison dissidents in opposition people, and for 22 years, we found every reason not to hold him accountable. that is the thing that, and i've be

. >>> let's bring in now bill browder, the ceo of hermitage capital management and author of "red noticecoming a target of vladimir putin himself. bill, good to see you. what do you think is happening here between vladimir putin and the head of this mercenary group? >> well, i don't think anything is happening between putin and the head of the mercenary group. putin has always managed the people under him with these types of conflicts, always going at it with each other. the mercenary group is fighting with the minister of defense and various other officials there, but putin is sort of the puppet master who kind of has them weaken each other, strengthen each other, and all sorts of other things. the most important thing you need to understand is that whoever is -- we shouldn't believe a word these people are saying, but the one thing we can say for sure is that there is a problem inside of the russian's effective military offensive and it's not working out. they're losing thousands, tens of thousands of soldiers, and this is before the ukrainians have gotten to work with their counter of

with me at the panel — one of vladimir putin's arch—critics, bill browder.r doctors out on strike, from the british medical association. and as the chancellor suggests a recession might be worth it to get inflation down, the boss of one of the country's leading busines groups — shevaun havilland — from the british chambers of commerce. morning, morning — i hope you have got the coffee on, because there's so much we want to talk to you about this morning. the nhs in a few minutes but first, let's look at the front pages. and the fall out from phillip schofield admitting an affair with a younger colleague at itv�*s this morning is on the front pages of the mail on sunday and the sun on sunday. holly willoughby saying she was lied to. bbc is leading on "kyiv hit by massive attack " by russian drones". we will talk about ukraine later in the show. the independent has "mps who claimed hundreds of pounds in driving expenses". and the telegraph has "sunak ask stores to cap basic food price." welcome to all of you this morning. let's go straight to that, a conservat