we spoke exclusively with cia director bill burns at the cia on friday.ormer secretary of state condoleezza rice will give us her world view. we'll talk with the chairs of a new congressional committee created to investigate threats to the u.s. from the chinese communist party. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ >>> good morning. welcome to "face the nation." it was a high stakes week on the foreign policy front. president biden took a trip to kyiv to mark one year in the war in ukraine. chinese president xi moved closer to russian president putin, while the u.s., nato, most of western europe doubled down in their support for ukraine. ob friday, we traveled to cia headquarters in langley, virginia, where we sat down with cia director bill burns. here's part of our conversation. on the cusp of russia's invasion, you flew to kyiv, and you told president zelenskyy, tell me if this is right, the russians are coming to kill you. was that the very first thing you said? >> it wasn't the very first thing i said to president zelenskyy, but president biden

what you asked me about is bill burns. this was, i think, the walk up to the invasion of ukraine was one of the cia's finest hours. i think it was right up there with the way they prepared jack kennedy during the 1962 cuban missile crisis, when they had the blueprints of this russian missile sites, thanks to a mole named frankowski in the walk up to the ukraine invasion, the u.s. intelligence community had putin dead to rights. they had the blueprints, they had the signals intelligence. they were listening to all the conversations. they knew exactly what putin's war plan was. and burns made a secret trip to kiev, sat down with zelensky, told him about the hit teams that were coming to get him, which enabled zelensky to fend off two assassination attempts. then he gave them essentially the blueprint for the invasion. so when the russians came and tried to try to encircle kiev, the ukrainian armed forces were waiting for them and among other things, that that have not been reported before, they they were able to shoot out of

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goes to tell you -- this was, i think, more about the fact that bill burns maybe the american who knows vladimir putin as well as any other american. >> what about that new intelligence suggesting china is considering sending artillery and ammunition to russia? director burns that every today emphasized china has not yet made that decision but what is actually happening on this? could the administration's decision to make this intelligence public -- as been suggested, could that keep china from actually following through. is that a deterrent? >> that would be sort of an echo of what you saw when the intelligence community selectively declassified information that showed that russia wasn't a fact going to invade ukraine. let me say two things about this. number one, there may be a little bit less here than meets the eye. the notion that china is considering whatever that may be, sending ammunition, is not at all that surprising. sort of like united states right now. we're considering sending along roger tiller enough 16th. the doesn't mean that anybody's taken a decision to do it. i'd be

take a listen to bill burns. >> i think putin is right now entirely too confident of his ability to wearn ukraine, to grind away. and that's what he's giving every evidence that he's determined to do right now. at some point, he's going to have to face up to increasing costs as well, in coffins going home to some of the poorest parts of russia. there's a cumulative economic damage to russia as well. huge reputational damage, has not been exactly a great advertisement for russia arms sales. >> right. >> so, this is going to build over time but right now, the honest answer, i think, putin is quite determined. >> quite determined and bill burns actually pointed out that russia's ties with iran are, in his word, moving at a pretty fast clip. clearly, they're trying to avoid the same thing happening with china because that could turn the battlefield and be a very dangerous situation for ukraine. >> how much, i guess it depends what kind of weapons they receive. keeping with the reports running out of different weaponry and the soldiers are exhausted and so many are dying, how much difference

cia director bill burns says russian president vladimir putin is overconfident in his ability to wear down ukraine. >> at some point, he's going to have to face up to increasing costs as well. in coffins coming home to some of the poorest parts of russia. >> reporter: on "face the nation," burns added while russia is taking a "reputational and economic hit on the global stage," officials are keeping a close eye on the relationship between moscow and beijing. u.s. intelligence reveals china is considering sending lethal support to russia. >> we also don't see that a final decision has been made yet. and we don't see evidence of actual shipments of lethal equipment. it would be a very risky and unwise bet. >> this would be a real mistake, because those weapons would be used to bombard cities and kill civilians, and china should want no part of that. >> reporter: as u.s. warns china of possible consequences, tensions are mounting in the south china sea. over concerns that what's happening in ukraine could serve as a blueprint for chinese president xi and his stance on taiwan. >> while ma

jay kusalivan and cia director bill. burns , the very participation of these particular personnel raised many questions, and perhaps the most important of them sounds to the director of the central intelligence agency. director. cia back in 2007 he said that if we try to draw ukraine into nato, russia will start a war. this is the red line. and now he himself approves of destroying what fuels our allies' export economies, which you think happened to the white burns. if i god damn it, the source of my rahersha, knew nothing about the motives of the director of the cia, not about the motives of biden himself. but he knew many other things, how the operation to destroy the gas pipeline was being prepared. who participated in its development, who performed and with the help of what technical means a huge number of details to possess knowledge about which only someone who was somehow involved in this operation could. however, seymour khurge, refused to give his name, even though he had a tub and dirt poured on him for this. here ,

director bill burns of the cia said that we haven't seen him do it yet.seen them take a final decision to provide the aid to russia, and we haven't seen the aid be provided to russia. so we will watch carefully, we will be vigilant and we will continue to send a strong message that we believe sending military aid to russia at this time when they're using weapons to bombard cities, kill civilians and commit atrocities would be a bad mistake and china should want no part of it. >> if china does go ahead and give the lethal support to russia, can you please be specific about how the u.s. would respond? >> well, again, you're talking about a hypothetical situation because at present china has not moved forward as far as we can discern. we have not seen them do it, and i would prefer to keep our messages to china on this question, what the consequences would be in the high-level diplomat being channels that we have to discuss these issues and, they saw wang yi in munich. secretary blinken laid out the u.s. position and perspective, and i'm going to leave that

putin himself thought that he would achieve a victory at minimal cost, in the words of cia director bill burns. one year later, putin's war has been a strategic failure for the kremlin. ukraine still stands. and nato and our global coalition stand united behind it. ukraine has mounted a heroic resistance. we have seen the bravery of the ukrainian military on the battlefield. we have seen the steady hand of ukraine's economic and finance officials. they have fought to preserve ukraine's economic and financial stability under extraordinary circumstances. and of course, we have seen the strength of the ukrainian people. they are standing strong amid a terrible war. the united states and our allies are proud to support the ukrainian people's fight for freedom.n the united states has provided over $46 billion in security, economic, and humanitarian assistance to ukraine. our military assistance includes key defensive weapons that ukraine has asked for such as the patriot missile defense system. and our economic assistance is making ukraine's resistance possible by supporting the home front: funding

along with the visits in the same week of national security advisor jake sullivan and cia director bill burns. so i would start by taking strong issue with the idea the biden administration has given up on this conflict or for some reason does not want to deal with anymore. the second point, to answer your question more directly, what the u.s. would have to do is to have to work with both sides, with all sides, actually, including outside arab partners, to defuse tensions rather than aggravate them. actions that any side would take, including incendiary rhetoric or attempts to change the status quo in some fundamental way while efforts continue at lower levels to reach conditions that would allow for pickled progress on this issue. -- for political progress on this issue. mohammed: the u.s. government continues to reiterate the importance of a two state solution. from your point of view, is this realistic at this point? there are a lot of people who believe the two state solution is essentially dead and there's no way to revive it. what is your take? guest: i think the short answer is no. goi

cia director bill burns said that uptick in violence in israel and palestinian territories reminds mef the last intifada, that there could be an explosion of violence. israel is the most right wing government it has had in years. do you think that democracy is in peril in israel right now? >> i do. i am very worried about what netanyahu is doing and some of his outlies in government and what may happen to the palestinian people. the united states gives billions in aid to israel and we have to put strings attached to that. you cannot run a racist government, you cannot turn your back on two-state solution, demean the palestinian people there. you can't do it and then come to america and ask for money. >> have you talked to the administration about it? >> they've been very careful in criticism of the netanyahu government. >> well, i am not careful about it. im embarrassed that in israel you have a government of that nature right now. >> and are you going to introduce something? >> we may well, yes. if a government is asking in a racist way and want billions of dollars from the taxpayers

clear signals from these calls from narendra modi from washington and from the head of the czar bill burnswhom i worked for many years in the state department, ambassador burns, former ambassador to moscow. as far as i i understand very clearly made it clear that if putin proceeds to nuclear escalation by symbolically detonating at least one warhead on the battlefield , there will be an intense response from the united states, which will destroy the russian military on the territory of ukraine, and therefore i think that the answer washington as well as china, india and all nato allies made it clear to putin that there is no point in nuclear escalation, because it will only accelerate the complete defeat of the russian military on the battlefield in ukraine, what will happen in the future , who knows. i mean that putin likes to say that if a russian ship sinks , then he can pull the whole world behind him, but this is completely irrational, and president putin is not rational. he very carefully lists all his steps, he tries to cause ukraine and europe more pain than those are ready to endu

lincoln's visit was one along with it in the same week of national security advisor, a director bill burns. so i would start by taking strong issue with the idea by ministration given up on this conflict or for some reason. doesn't want to do it anymore. the 2nd point to answer your question more directly with us would have to do, i think, is to continue to work with both sides with all sides actually including outside air partners, to diffuse tensions, rather than aggregate them. actions that any side would take, including incendiary rhetoric or attempts to change the status quo in some fundamental way. all efforts continue at lower levels to reach conditions that would allow for political progress on this issue. how did let me get your take on this u. s. government continues to reiterate the importance of a to state solution from your point of view. is this anything that is in any way realistic at this point? because there are a lot of people out there, the believe that the 2 state solution is essentially dead and that there's really no way to revive it. what's your take? i think the sho

. >> reporter: cia director bill burns spoke with cbs' margaret brennan for "face the nation." >> welso don't see that a final decision has been made yet, and we don't see evidence of actual shipments of lethal equipment. >> reporter: bay generally speaking has also put forward its own 12-point peace plan, and president zelenskyy is calling for a summit with the chinese. but president biden dismissed it saying, if putin is cheering it, can it be any good? adriana? >> christina ruffini, thank you. watch all margaret brennan's exclusive interview with cia director william burns tomorrow on "face the nation." former secretary of state condoleezza rice is also a guest. >>> inflation remains high but many americans are shopping and eating out. cbs' michael george with more on the spending spree and how it can impact you. >> reporter: we know just about everything costs more these days. but despite that, the latest numbers show americans are still willing to spend big on things like vacations and cars. and that could have a big impact on how long inflation lasts. prices for everyday essent

cia director bill burns says russian president vladimir putin is overconfident in his ability to wear down ukraine. >> at some point, he's going to have to face up to increasing costs as well in coffins coming home to some of the poorest parts of russia. >> reporter: on "face the nation," burns added that while russia is taking a quote, reputational and economic hit on the global stage, officials are keeping a close eye on the relationship between moscow and beijing. u.s. intelligence reveals china is considering sending lethal support to russia. >> we also don't see that a final decision has been made yet, and we don't see evidence of actual shipments of lethal equipment. it would be a very risky and unwise bet. >> this would be a real mistake because those weapons would be used to bombard cities and kill civilians, and china should want no part of that. >> reporter: as u.s. warns china of possible consequences, tensions are mounting in the south china sea over concerns that what's happening in ukraine could serve as a blueprint for chinese president xi and his stance on taiwan. >> w

a bill burns is law and there's only one whistleblower in effect here or who is saying look, this is, this is pretty bad. what the biden administration has done that. i suppose that surprised even some may be in those institutions who, you know, respect you greatly. but at the same time, have to go along with their leaders. whether it be in state or the see, i know you mentioned ed snowden. here's what interest me about him. at the time he was in the ca, i read his men more, which is quite interesting because he was really a kid really in the computers and not in a political science. so he's in there and he discovers that the one thing about the and to say that i knew from i been reporting in washington for the new york times. and before that for the a p, i covered the war vietnam war in washington in the pentagon. and so i got to know something, some people who worked in the signals world. and the one thing that i understood is that if you're in the signals where you cannot intercept an american without a warrant, what snowden discovered was told and learned as a consultant, was that

bill burns, according to seymour hersh, he's the one that said yes, let's do it. marina, let's, let's just for a moment here. this is all big stuff and it's one revelation after another. but who is this seymour hersh? the man who's come out with all of this. now, seymour hersh is a former new york times writer. he's a pulitzer prize winning journalist. he's a legendary journalist, really, who, who's always had contempt for the american media in general. when that, when the official u. s. government narrative came out about the death of osama bin laden, seymour hersh called b. s. he said, that's one big lie. regarding osama bin loudon on the 2003 american invasion of iraq. seymour hersh called b. s on the whole w. m. d sadam hussein threat the bush junior kept flagging on and on and on again. so this guy, seymour hersh, he typically goes against the mainstream narratives. but in this situation, considering all the geo politics in the world, the moving and shaking marina, do we think seymour hersh can be trusted? his track record definitely indicates that he has someone that should be t

or they, uh , bill burns, delivered such a warning. ah, the russian leadership. bers a lot can be said about him, but he is not a dangerous lunatic. i also met and talked with him on several occasions. in general, he gives the impression of a sane and responsible person. therefore, ukraine simply does not have ukraine. it is unlikely that they will ever appear, because, well, if you only imagine that the americans will hand over to the ukrainians, there are intercontinental ballistic missiles or, uh, strategic aviation. well then then with nuclear and warheads yes with nuclear warheads. well, as they say, dream not harmful, but i think it is. this is complete nonsense. i find this statement very dangerous. i'll tell you now why, naturally, not because such a blow is at least somewhat real, e, he is generally a ridiculous idea. secondly, er, if someone tried to do this, then before this blow had even reached the moscow of those who wore it. eh, the inevitable retribution would not have befallen them, and they understand this very well, and therefore they never went

the cid director bill burns says the russian president is over confident in his ability to wear downaine and western allies. >> at some point he is going to have to face to increasing cost as well in coffins coming home to some of the poorest parts of russia. >> reporter: burns said u.s. is keeping a close watch on china confident beijing is considering supplying russia with lethal support. >> we don't see that a final decision has been made and we don't see evidence of actual shipments of lethal equipment. it would be a risky unwise bet. >> reporter: president biden promised new sanctions on china if they cross that line. u.s. intelligence comes as top finance chinese finance officials refused to condemn russia's war at a g20 economic summit. zelenskyy says he plans to meet with the chinese president but didn't say when. as war wages on, zelenskyy is pushing president biden to send new weapons including f16 fighter jets. the president said that's off the table for now but he hasn't ruled it out for the future. so other questions continue around what china plans to do with russia. an

way they're presenting blinken talking about having information and now we hear from cia director bill burns. take us into what he had to say. >> well, we are confident the chinese leadership is considering the provision of lethal equipment. we don't seed a final decision has been made yet and we don't see evidence of actual shipments of lethal equipment. that's why i think secretary blinken and the president have thought it important to make clear what the consequences of that would be. >> blinken kept with the top diplomat in munich presenting the details of the consequences. yi almost threatening to moscow after that china is trying to hedge its position abstaining from u.n. vote calling for end to war in ukraine abstaining from the u.n. vote it is presented its oeb peace plan to try to end the conflict it says even though it refuses to call it an invasion perhaps trying to present itself as having global influenza alongside the u.s. the u.s. hoping while similar release of intel around iran intentions to provide drones to russia has not detered iran. this will work with china, china esse

listen to what cia director bill burns said over the weekend of those warnings. >> we also don't see that a final decision has been made yet, and we don't see evidence of actual shipments of lethal equipment. that's why i think secretary blinken and the president have thought it important to make very clear what the consequences of that would be. >> reporter: now, we also don't know publicly what those consequences exactly will be, jake. it's pretty clear that u.s. officials have created some pretty stark warnings in those conversations with chinese officials. i think it's important to note that the u.s. ambassador to china today, nick burns, said at this moment in time the u.s. and china relationship is really a challenging one. he said the u.s. is focused on managing the differences in that relationship. >> kylie atwood at the state department, thanks very much. >>> today u.s. treasury secretary janet yellen made an unannounced trip to kyiv where ukraine applauded the united states as a standout in providing support to the country. cnn's fred pleitgen is in moscow where emerging cr

>> reporter: yeah, this seems to back up, christine, what bill burns is saying within a month, one specificegiment of mobilized soldiers from the region in siberia they are essentially complaining about their treatment, their commanders. take a listen to a little more of what they had to say. >> translator: we asked for the help in dealing with the unlawful and criminal orders of our command. they consistent to of the fact we giving to the dpr. the soldiers were made to assault within a single day and sent to assault to the stronghold to be slaughtered without any support from artillery, communications and reconnaissance. >> reporter: it's one of the most hotly contested areas part of the donbas which is sort of bare minimum goal that putin has set for himself in terms of this war. they say they are being sent into battle with no support. they say they've been given to the dpr commanders, these are the russian-backed proxies that have been fighting in that region since 2014. perhaps even more disturbingly, christine, they go on to say that dpr commanders are firing with machine guns at mobi

now we're hearing it from the director of the cia bill burns that china is apparently actively consideringiving lethal aid to russia. this is all happens at the same time as china has just floated its proposed peace plan which the ukrainians have already been quick to pooh-pooh because this peace plan does not actually condemn russia's violation of ukraine's sovereignty integrity and so there is a sort of growing concern on behalf of the ukrainians that the china issue is something they would really like to be able to get to better grips with, in terms of establishing a better relationship, rapport, and discouraging the warmth that exists between xi and putin which may now be translating into actual tangible lethal aid being given. on the ground in ukraine, the ukrainians are up against a tough fight now that obviously has been the center of having fighting in the donbas region for quite some time now. but the situation appearing to deteriorate more and more rapidly with some speculating that it's now just a matter of time before ukrainian forces will be forced to give that up as the russi

here is what the cia director, bill burns, told cbs this weekend. >> well, we're confident that the chinese leadership is considering the provision of lethal equipment. we also don't see that a final decision has been made yet, and we don't see evidence of actual shipments of lethal equipment. and that's why i think secretary blinken and the president have thought it important to make very clear what the consequences of that would be. >> reporter: burns also talked about the deepening relationship between russia and iran. iran has been supplying russia with kamikaze drones and ammunition. now according to director burns, russia is poised to start offering iran help with their missile program and is also considering sending fighter jets to iran. that relationship between iran and russia proceeding at a fast pace, burns said, in a way that he considers disturbing. alex marquardt, cnn, dnipro, ukraine. >>> still to come, from the cereal that you eat for breakfast to the socks on your feet, they could be the product of child labor. after the break, i'll speak with an investigative journalist an

here's a little bit of what the cia director bill burns told cbs news this weekend. >> i think putins right now entirely too confident of his ability to wear down ukraine. to grind away. and that's what he's giving every evidence that he's determined to do right now. and at some point, he's go to have to face up to increasing costs as well. in coffins coming home to some of the poorest parts of russia. there's a cumulative economical damage to russia as well. huge reputational damage. has not exactly been a great advertisement for russia arms sales. >> right. >> so this is going to build over time. but right now, the honest answer, i think, putin is quite determined. >> reporter: burns talk about the issue of russia and iran supplying rucheia with drones and ammunition for artillery and tanks. burns say iran is helping rush yea help with its missile program and considering sending iran fighter jets fors support. that relationship proceeding in a fast rate in a very disturbing way. jim. >> alex marquardt, thank you. let's go to ukraine's capital, cnn's clarissa ward is in kyiv for us.

hersh was entrusted to us presidential security adviser jay kusalivan and cia director bill. burnsraised many questions, and perhaps the most important of them is addressed to the director of the central intelligence agency. director. the cia said back in 2007 that if we try to drag ukraine into nato, russia will start a war. this is the red line. and now he himself approves of destroying what fuels our allies' export economies, which you think happened to the bill. if i god damn it, seymour hersh's source would say nothing about either the cia director's motives or biden's own motives. but he told about many other things, how the operation to destroy the gas pipeline was being prepared, who participated in its development. who performed them with the help of what technical means to possess a huge amount of details, about which only one who was somehow involved in this operation could. however seymour hersh refused to name the man by them, in spite of the tub of dirt that had been poured on him. however, he is no stranger to the american press reacting in approximately the same way

the cia director, bill burns, talked about president putin's mindset earlier today on cbs news.e a listen. >> i think putin is right now entirely too confident of his ability to wear down ukraine, to grind away, and that's what he's giving every evidence he's determined to do right now. at some point he's going to have to face up to increasing costs as well, in coffins coming home to some of the poorest parts of russia. there's a cumulative economic damage to russia as well. huge remember terrible damage. it has not exactly been a great advertisement for russian arm sales. this is going to build over time. right now, the honest answer i think is that putin is quite determined. >> reporter: in terms of the economic cost on russia, the european union just announced its tenth round of sanctions which president zelenskyy has called very powerful. >> alex, the cia director also talked about china and mentioned that russia and china appear to be working closer together as well as now iran being part of the picture. what more can you report on from your vantage point? >> reporter: both

. >> that is bill burns, the cia director, on covid we learned yesterday the department of energy hasrance report that it most likely originated from a laboratory leak. cnn has just learned the reason for that updated report, three sources telling cnn that the department of energy shift was based in part on information -- center for disease controlled, the chinese cdc, in wuhan, was doing it around th

. >> bill burns said emphatically that china is currently considering this, but what the u.s.icials have not been as clear on, and what they have not said with as much detail is when this decision might be, and also, what the real costs also, they may clear u and what a dramatic effect it could have on u.s./china relations and the outcome of the war. kate. >> yes, thank you, m.j. also from china, they are disputing a new intelligence report from the u.s. energy department that says that the coronavirus virus has escaped from a lab in wuhan. and they have what is labeled low confidence in the findings which is going to add to the divisions that we have long heard of in the community over the or >> ins. and what prompted this energys a sult frnlgts now? >> yes, they have been assessing the origins of covid-19 now, and they felt that they are at a point to include congress, and included in the brief that they have given to congress is that they have said that it is the most likely explanation in their opinion that the virus leaked that new intelligence that made them bleen more a