it brought bill clinton and hillary clinton to the white house. after they arrived, there was the announcement about health care. we have a couple of clips to show you that help demonstrate the intention of the first lady's involvement in health care. let's watch. [video clip] >> i'm glad hillary has agreed to chair this task force and she will be sharing some of the heat i expect to generate. in the coming months, the american people will learn that we have a first lady of many talents, but most of all who can bring people together around on complex issues to hammer out consensus and get things done. >> as the president said, and as he believes, this is not a partisan issue. it is not an ideological battle. it is a problem to be solved that affects all of us. and i'm looking forward over the next weeks and months to not only working with you, but to watching you craft the most important social policy that our nation will have confronted in many decades. >> a lot of people thought i should not be making recommendations about legislation or that i

and that person, that foil was bill clinton. rupt, even dangerous president, so far they even impeached, they began recasting clinton as a channmp ion of the middle class, a symbol of a bygone era when they produced leaders who were ready to compromise. after obama won the white house, it only intensified. to the right bill clinton became the good democratic president, a reference point they returned to over and over to paint barack obama as the same kind of dangerous radical they had once painted clinton as. a perfect example on the eve of bill clinton's address to the democratic national convention in 2012 when the chairman of the republican national committee said this on national television. >> the problem that obama has with bill clinton is that obama is not your daddy's democrat. he's not a mainstream democrat like bill clinton. bill clinton worked with both sides of the aisle. bill clinton was able to get some things done. >> statements like that during the last five years helped to e depolarize bill clinton with republica

is bill clinton popular in kentucky. >> bill clinton is popular. there's not been a poll here that's been leased publicly but i'm told by democrats who have seen some of the polling, bill clinton is in the 60s in the polling here which is a big increase from barack obama who is about in the 30s right now in terms of polling. that's why they want him. bill clinton is popular. i think you might see a joe biden come here as well. that's another popular democrat in the state. it's more like bill clinton brings donors here. also enthusiasm here. he's someone when they talk about minimum wage, issues like that, when we come back in october, november, close to the election. they think he's an asset throughout. and they think he's someone who gives democrats a lot of confidence. >> it's interesting, perry, it's where you're starting to see the playing field where they start to parcel out clinton and biden in the places where they'll be most helpful? >> yes. i think there are five states to watch. arkansas where clinton said he's going to campaign in. georg

let's put that question, amy, bill clinton's welcome. hillary clinton an asset or a liability in a year where her former boss, her most recent boss, barack obama, is considered by many democrats to be toxic? >> so can i turn that question around a little bit? >> be my guest. >> which is does hillary clinton want to go on the trail in 2014? and so i don't know if you're an individual candidate, you're very concerned about being tied to washington and you want an outsider coming and campaigning for you so hillary clinton could bring some liabilities but she still has a great deal of star power. she can brick you some money for sure. but if you're hillary clinton do you want to get out there on the campaign trail? you've been this post partisan candidate. you have approval ratings higher than you have seen them, well, ever. do you want to really get in a food fight in 2014 and be seen as a partisan at a time when, you know, you want to try to hold onto that post partisan -- >> if you want to lead the part in 2016, don't you have to have the

so i think bill clinton's presidency as well as bill clinton himself have very positive impressions. d the whole business with monica lewinsky has been processed. it is nothing new. you have clinton bashers of the '90 and see 2014 will raise that and white water. kathleen suggested the clintons had something to do with the death of her husband and death of her cats. really starting to drudge up all the old muck again. as they did in the '90s when the anticlintonites overplayed hands of impeachment are doing the same thing. >> democrats from 1932 through probably 1960 something ran against herbert hoover. they didn't stop. i will probably not forget w.'s take against the war of iraq for many decades. and after the civil war the republicans ran for 30 or 40 years on the bloody shirt. when does it run out of steam politicly that bill clinton got impeached? >> i think it has long since run out of steam and their attempt to revive it is probably going to fail except within their own -- >> he is not running again. >> the memories of the '90s in terms of the economy are glowing and post pres

good times under bill clinton. next president they're going to elect in 2016 has to be looking ahead, not back to 1992 or '96. >> how do you prevent the press from pushing the question? a mainstream reporter there had a follow-up on what rand paul said. and he did it, and he got a great story there. >> can that be her message? her message can't even be the good times from bill clinton. her message is here is what i'm going to do looking forward. and you know what in she has two terms as senator from new york, served as secretary of state. she has other things to talk about with her own record if and when she runs for president. >> howard, how is this going to be handle by the politicians? will he be fair game? rand paul says he is. mitt romney, who isn't running was gentlemanly about it. but he did tag there. >> i don't think this election should be about the way bill clinton embarrassed himself and the nation. no, no. >> as adults. >> no, no no. let's not talk about that. no, i think rand paul and the tea party ty

look, there's been the al gore method, distance yourself from bill clinton. that didn't work. the 2008 hillary clinton method, you know, sort of let him do what he's doing, he's a good strategist. that didn't work. barack obama is the one that figure the out how to use him. put him out as a surrogate but don't let him do a lot of freelancing or intervies with the press. if she can get him to do what he did on the 2012 campaign trail and we go deep into that in the book, she will serve herself well. >> interesting nuggeting about david petraeus, former head of the cia, commander in afghanistan who had to resign because of his extramarital affair. he says she would be a tremendous president. that's a real endorsement for somebody that she showed a lot of the kindness to actually when he went through his own disgrace. >> yes. she wrote him a note actually and she said, i've had a little experience with this, which we thought was a really interesting moment. she does that. she tends to warm up to people. she might not be as gregarious as her husband but very much a retail politicia

i think he is trying to basically take bill clinton, who was the best, let's face it, surrogate that n that reelection in 2012, but was the worst surrogate that hillary clinton had in 2008. and he is trying to hobble him as an effective surrogate and effective fundraiser. he is trying to make it difficult for democrats to use bill clinton the way they were able to use him in 2012. if he can make it hard for alison lundergan grimes to do it in this cycle, it will help mitch mcconnell. hillary clinton this time is not going to do what she did in '08. if she runs again, she is going to run full force that she is a woman and on the aspirations of women. that is what is going to fuel her run. this is the rand paul attempt to undercut that, destroy bill clinton as a surrogate and make it almost impossible for her to run in that way. in that way it's very calculated. if it works with grimes, i think he is saying to the republican party we can roll this out in 2016 against hillary. >> well, the big question about this being a shot at bill clinton about being a sexual predator, what any has to

to you first, what about bill clinton the attraction of bill clinton in kentucky, the blue grass state but not barack obama? >> well, it makes sense. bill clinton won the state twice. he's very close to miss grimes and his family. his polling numbers here i'm told are pretty darn good. well above 50%. president obama's numbers are well below 50%. it's kind of a no brainer to have bill clinton here at this point in the race, andrea, it's more about raising money. that's the point of the luncheon that's happening in a half hour from now. behind me here on the banks of the ohio river, and i'm sure the clintons certainly bill clinton perhaps hillary clinton will come back later this fall to do some sort of grass roots stumping here in the blue grass state. >> and chuck todd, the president himself not that popular there. >> no, he's not. look, i'm told that democratic strategists went to the president to talk about campaign 2016 and that the president is clear eyed about this. he was quoted to u.s. senators saying if you want me to campaign, i'll be there. if you don't, i won't be there. do

can you talk about bill clinton? the book? >> it's important to talk about bill clinton. because bill clinton raises the largest question. how do the democrats respond? how do they respond? now, i said that the number crunchers spoke in the '70s by that i meant in part kevin philip a republican demographer. i mean from the democrats. they ran the numbers, too. they said, wow, closely tied to race we might start losing votes bhap should we do? flee from race. get away from race. stop being closely associated with minorities. that idea of distancing the democrat distancing themselves from race develops and is embraced as a route success by bill clinton. bill clinton is not just going to flee from holding a -- he's going to make a point to the policy at large that this is a new democrat. this is a new democratic party not -- they are going to be a couple of dramatic instances this. one, bill clinton fly back to arkansas to make sure he's there and oversee the execution of a retarded african-american man. no one could say he was soft on crime. that's one. another, clinton acc

but he seems very comfortable making this attack on bill clinton. >> reporter: he does, chuck. he double downed those remarks again yesterday. he was asked about the remarks and he said clinton does not represent kentucky values. he went on for a while, criticizing the former president again. he made his comments four or five times and seems very comfortable making them. >> let me ask you this. so, it was interesting to hear grimes in that individuvideo. have you seen her on the campaign trail? obviously, republicans are trying to -- they're desperately trying to see if she will stumble. they want to make this race about her. she's been very guarded. is she coming across too guard or are republicans having some success at trying to make her sort of get out of her comfort zone? >> reporter: so far, she's been able to stay very much in her comfort zone. we talked about the minimum wage and very popular issues like that and talk about mitch mcconnell. i know talking to reporters here yesterday they feel like they're covering two candidates who don't talk to the press, don't answer

the republican base doesn't like bill or hillary clinton. and what he's trying to do is brand himself as somebody who will take them on. and what i was told is that bill and hillary are, quote, running as a team. and that it's fair to attack them. they understand that bill clinton will be one of her greatest advocates if she decides to run. so i think they're letting people in the republican party know that rand paul is no holds barred. we're going to go after the clintons and that's a plural. when we need to. and i think that he feels that within the republican party base, this is a way of distinguishing himself as a fighter against hillary clinton. >> i think it will help that base. i don't know if he gets the nomination how much it will help in a general election. >> talk about the impact with women and younger women in particular might not work so well. >> gloria, see you later in "the situation room." later tonight on cnn, piers morgan will speak the authors of a new book on the former first lady. what's really driving hillary clinton ri

look, we're going to see bill clinton out on the campaign trail. we're going to see joe biden out on the campaign trail. the question for me is when do we see and how much do we see hillary clinton. is she willing to go out as presidential candidates do in mid terms and campaign? the advantage for her she has as her husband out there reminding people, democrats, but also independents in a lot of the swing states where there are competitive races in the mid terms that the clintons are a team there is some downside to that. but i think we saw today he is still the best in the business when he is into it. and i think coming off 2012 when he was into it, he is going to be into it in 2014 and he'll be very strong. and i think that works to her benefit. and it doesn't help joe biden much at all. >> yeah, i would like to see them campaign together. i think that would be real star quality, both clintons together say in kentucky or in arkansas. howard, can they pull it out in arkansas, or does that go over? >> i don't know. that sounds like -- even though ir

most americans moved on from 19 years ago and respected bill clinton's apology. fice with a 65% approval ratings. so most americans would say we're concerned about jobs and the future. hillary clinton is the most public-spirited person running for any office if she runs. and that is what she will be judged on. >> i would say it is not sexist, i agree with that. when people talk about what is being discussed about hillary clinton and her past, they're separating two issues, they brought up rand paul, he brought up bill clinton's affairs, and carl rove says that is not a good strategy. if you're trying to say the reports on the beacon were sexist, you haven't read the reports. the affairs were really a minor detail in it. what that report showed was that hillary clinton in 1993 when she was head of the task force for president clinton's health care initiative she said she thought that health care payer systems are necessary. >> we talked about that. and that is less controversial. and i haven't heard anybody on the left saying o-- >> i have heard them saying don't g

former bill clinton is rallying support for the democrat running against senate minority leader bill mcconnell. our correspondent erin mcpike is live in louisville. can clintons sway the race? well, jake, we're still eight months away but he drew 800 democrats to lunch here today. he's popular. democrats need that if they have any chance of beating mitch mcconnell. we should also point out that bill clinton is very close to the candidate and her family. bill clinton's favorite season starting. campaign tame. >> look, i love kentucky. you've been good to me. you've voted for me twice. you've been great to hillary. i love you. >> reporter: he's making his trail debut to help, who else, an old friend. alison grimes. >> it makes a big difference who wins this election and, alison grimes should win it and will with your help. >> reporter: she's the secretary of state who's practiced law and done plenty of politicking with her father. >> the clintons didn't forget. jerry oversaw the landslide over barack obama. the family business catered inaugural events and chelsea's wedding. now clinton

the third thing that is important, bill clinton is old news. of a conversation with hillary clinton is absolutely warranted. but i think the media will have a fair statement to say we don't want to go through bill clinton all over again. >> and that is my final question for you before i let you go. it may be fair game to discuss what happened with the clintons and his behavior, but is the real objection, we already did discuss it? it is over, like we discussed it ad nauseum? there was an impeachment hearing. >> and no one has uncovered how hillary clinton was in charge of the bimbo gaffes, that has to be uncovered if she is running for the white house. >> and joining me now, president of comprehensive's group, and monica crowley, who is host of "the monica crowley" show and happens to be friends with kathleen willey. so let's start with that last point. okay, it is relevant. but we have been through it. we know what the truth is. because kathleen last need seemed to say that was not the answer, because we have been through it. but there is a wh

theo plewho do not treat her particularly well and then bill clinton went out on the campaign trail and not many of them out in the primaries. nobody in clinton land like that at all. >> there was one part where you talk about clerc mechanical and how much she is disliked by the clinton camp? >> to this day it is interesting. she is one of the people who has come out early to endorse hillary clinton. she ran in 2016. it date to 2006. the clintons campaigned for her, fundraiser for her and she was on meet the press, i wouldn't want my daughter near him. that anger a lot of clintonites. following that she said she made this quick to a friend were she said i don't think -- i wouldn't want to be caught stuck in an elevator with her which we found interesting. >> senator mike castle --mcca i --mccaskill endorsed senator obama. at clinton campaign headquarters people were hoisting their tv sets anytime they saw her on washington journal. she would be on every morning so now we have seen this -- claire mccaskill is trying to get back and bill clinton's good graces. when you talk to their aides

running you know that one big theme in this book is the way that the clintons both hillary and bill clinton continued to build the political operation while hillary clinton was at the state department we think we basically see this is a seamless continual run for the presidency from two thousand and eight on certainly that doesn't mean that everything she did was geared toward that it just means that that option was being kept open and that the the the building the political machine continued all along i would be very very surprised if she didn't run. i'll be interested amy as a woman in your reaction to kathleen wiley and to rand paul and all is making an issue of the lewinsky case and kathleen will at wiley in the form of volunteer aide who says she was sexually harassed by the president in the ninety's says there's danger in hillary clinton becoming president that hillary is that's a war on women that was needs to be exposed to hillary chose to attack all the women who were supposed to be involved with bill rather than say divorcing him or doing something else do you think this will be a

bill clinton needed to have one of his blood vessels re-opened six years after his operation. ked artery in 2010, former president clinton says he decided to make changes in his diet. this time around, he decided to get much more strict, radical even in his approach. no more meat. no more eggs. no more dairy. almost no oil. the mantra is, eat nothing that has a mother or a face. talked about the fact that you loved to eat. >> you know, i like the stuff i eat. i like the vegetables, fruits and beans, the stuff i eat now i like. >> do you call yourself a vegan now then? >> well, i suppose i am if i don't eat dairy or meat or fish. >> so you've cut all that out. >> once in a while, literally in well over a year now, at thanksgiving, i had one bite of turkey. >> you're doing this for your health. >> yes. >> is that why you're doing it? >> absolutely. >> clinton's dietary guides, dean ornish and this guy, caldwell esselston at the cleveland clinic. >> apparently he read my book. i've never met the man. >> he wrote me a letter saying i was even cheating online because he was afraid i

thinking about senator paul, rand paul, and his bringing up, drudging up all of the -- >> calling bill clinton a predator and all that. >> president clinton and the stuff in the washington free beacon, which jay has written about. these diaries from senator clinton's friend, if you're going to have to go back that far and dredge up things that she already has a history and a paper trail that can negate all of those things, you're kind of desperate. but then again, the republican party is desperate to kneecap hillary clinton before she even has a chance. >> i can see them going after secretary clinton on the issue that she once supported single pair, like ted kennedy supported and a lot of people supported. i'm beginning to think it makes sense. it's not out of the question to extend medicare through everybody. it's worked for older people. why not everybody. why are they going after that one? forget the sex stuff. why are they trying to nail hillary as a lefty on health care at this point when they already took their shots at her? >> because it so conveniently ties her to obama care, right? by

. ♪ ♪ ♪ >>> bill clinton is back on the campaign trail.ormer president and prospective first husband is gearing up for his wife's anticipated presidential run by hitting the road for selected midterm candidates this fall. correspondent mike tobben is live in louisville tonight. >> democrats now call him the big dog. bill clinton, ourgably the most popular democrat in the land, firing his first shot of 2014 campaigning in kentucky. trying to boost the senate campaign of the secretary of state. >> it makes a big difference who wins this election and allison should win it and will with your help. >> to win, she needs to unseat the kentucky senate minority leader mitch mcconnell. >> he is out of touch, out of ideas, and come november with your help and support, he will be out of time. >> polls show a statistical dead heat. the average is only a half point difference. but political analysts consider grimes a long shot, even with a popular ex-president trying to motivate the base. >> in 2008, when bill and hillary clinton came to town, including

bill clinton won kentucky in 1992, which is interesting. people forget that. also interesting, this is a state where barack obama could not go to campaign for a democratic senate candidate, but bill clinton can. >>> new jersey governor chris christie releases his proposed state budget today as new polls show his approval ratings in the tank. according to the monmouth university poll, only 49% of registered state voters approve of the job he's doing. in january it was 58%. last year 70%. those are poll numbers, you know, politicians don't like to see. >> no. >> bridgegate may be to blame. more people than ever now say christie has not come clean about his politically motivated lane closures on the george washington bridge. >>> more testimony today in the trial of kerry kennedy. that's the daughter of robert kennedy charged with driving under the influence of a sleeping aid. on monday, jurors watched a seemingly disoriented kennedy allegedly failing three sobriety tests on police video. prosecutors say she had a duty to pull over before causing the minor acciden

and as i mentioned, bill clinton is not on the ballot in 2016 bu hillary clinton will have to answerstions about what role in her sort of administration or presidency would bill clinton make. he campaigns for her. they hold hands together on that campaign stage. is he going to be an adviser? is he going to be living in the white house? interesting questions and relevant questions. >> i wonder if this discussion of the lewinsky scandal and attack on bill clinton is some way around about, back-handed insult to secretary of state clinton. do you see that there is some relation here or is there some attempt? >> it's pathetic. and i would tell senator rand paul that 1998 called and they want their spin back. i mean, this is completely ridiculous. it's actually a little weird how obsessed senator paul is with bill clinton and his whatever happened with his sex life. and if you go back and actually look at rand paul's record with women, it doesn't surprise me that he's grabbing at straws trying to do anything but actually answer both his own stances with issues that impact women and the rep

her dad, jerry lundergan, was an old pal of bill clinton. on as a 14-year-old. and clinton can do some very good things for her because if you look at the map of both 92 and 96, bill clinton carried a whole lot of those counties in eastern kentucky. those appalachian counties that barack obama couldn't -- doesn't have much support in. and if you could put together the core obama coalition of african-americans, college-educated middle-class, upper middle-class voters, and then bring in the working-class whites that bill clinton i think can still appeal to and also hillary clinton, you're getting very close to a majority in kentucky. so i think she's going to ignore rand paul and say to bill clinton, please come as often as you can and send your wife here too. >> i want to look at what matt bevin -- talk about why matt bevin isn't getting more traction against mitch mcconnell with all the help he's getting from ted cruz and others in washington. let's look at what matt bevin's problem is here. it could be matt bevin. >> i'm matt bevin, and i ap

former president bill clinton to be exact. go the old president clinton brought the democratic to kentucky. the first campaign event of the year for the former president who hopes he can do for allison lundergan grimes what he did for barack obama in 2012

books and bill clinton's speeches.he was giving these speeches for 150 to 200 50/50 thousand dollars a pop for a 15 minute speech at financial firms, in jewish community centers. >> host: john do you think this hurts your chances in 2016? >> guest: the fact is that it's really not even discussed. >> host: all right, any points >> guest: they have done their share of good to not. bill clinton has cgi the event in global initiative where he travels the world and does good things around the world trade i think that's something that the clintons were sitting here they would definitely point out to. >> guest: i hate to use my inexperience against me but look these are all questions that will be answered in the presidential campaign or at least reporters like us will attempt to make -- we have the scene in the look where hillary clinton has to raise money for world's fair in shanghai in a short trade of time. the chinese that it's going to be a big embarrassment if the americans to show up and the whoosh of administration ma

he's able to go after bill clinton and try to make him a liability. obviously, he's always been a hot ticket in democratic fundraising. he's sort of showing he will stand up to the clintons. that's obviously clearly important on the gop side. but also, he's attacking allison grimes, the woman beating mitch mcconnell in the kentucky senate race right now. >> i think it's pretty simple. the republicans face a well-known gender gap. bill clinton is really one of the spokespersons for the democratic party. he happens to be married to the front runner for 2016, as you pointed out earlier. that's pretty obvious but worth reminding everyone. and so the calculus, i guess, in paul's mind is you go after bill clinton like this, you're going after that gender gap. i can't imagine it has much traction at all. in large part because you really have to dig hardly at all beneath the surface to understand why that gender gap exists or for that matter why the immigration gap or the civil rights on gay marriage gap exists. all of the policies really explain why democrats

>> people love bill clinton. he's the most beloved figure in american politics. >> i would take regan or either of the bushes. >> he's interesting. there's a challenge to republicans because there's no one as interesting as bubby. >> drama, people are over it. they sit there and think do we really have to go through this another eight years. people might like bill clinton, but every time you see bill clinton, there's a part of you in the back of your mind that thinks, wow, he was doing that in the oval office while he was president. >> and they won't be able to escape it, so may they have decided to embrace it. >> it's rare that people are going to think about that. with all due respect, she brings a lot of interesting drama to the white house. for a republican presidency, there would be no drama. >> maybe we want no drama. how about policy and jobs. >> a lot of people said that about clinton, they wished he wasn't so beleaguered with the problems and scandals. he could have gotten more done. imagine if he had ap

so bill clinton's actions, it seems to me, are perfectly fair game, particularly that his principal defenderng his legal defense, defense in impeachment was his wife, hillary clinton. so it's fair game. at the same time, we ought to remember that he, clinton, is about the most popular political figure in this country today for all kinds of interesting reasons. i'm not one, incidentally, based a little bit on what i'm hearing and a little bit of instinct actual notions i'm not convinced she's going to run for president. i think the christie thing might have made it more likely but she's looking at every aspect of this, including her health, husband's health, they both have to be healthy if she's going to undertake this run. she's not going to undertake a run if it looks to the clintons as if there's a big chance she could be beaten. it's not a sure thing she's running. and people i know who know her well, and there are very few who she talks to about this question, if any, beside her husband in terms of what she's really going to do, but there are some doubts among those who know her well she

funds and try to embarrass the democrats over the hypocrisy on the women's issue. >> meanwhile, bill clintonnd is going to campaign down in kentucky for the democrats there. >> i'm not sure that rand's public attacks on bill have had an appreciative effect on his popularity, which remains astronomical. >> at the same time, ron, another book is quoting another former general, now still a general, but general petraeus, former cia director, saying this. like a lot of great leaders, her, hillary clinton's most impressive qualities were most visible during tough times, the wake of the benghazi attacks, for example, she was extraordinarily resolute, determined, and controlled. he continues, she would be a tremendous president. so supporters are pointing to general david petraeus. >> i think that's a wonderful thing for david petraeus to do if he wants to be in the administration if she wants to win the presidency. that's a job application. >> that's how you read it? >> the fact of the matter, on benghazi, set aside the conspiracy theories. we do know that skeert was terrible. and that is on her, o

bill clinton gave an endorsement statement and then there was a campaign to get bill clinton to stop,o a fund-raiser for sherman and even went to hillary clinton and said he thinks it's ironic that hillary clinton is asking for his vote while bill clinton is out there campaigning against him and hillary clinton just laughed and told him that she was out of politics and as it turns out, howard berman is in the private sector now. >> your book has faced harsh criticism from washington d.c., reporters who say you if he will in love with your subject. clearly you had some unprecedented access to clintonland. what are the parts of the book that clinton and her aides have complained to you about? >> i don't think they are happy about the hit list. there are other parts that they are not happy about either. we took a very impartial role in this. we're washington journalists, we cover the white house, and we've been very fair about the way that we've presented this book. >> this is a comeback story, from where she went from pretty low to the high point. part of that is telling the story of wh

it isn't bill clinton and hillary clinton somewhat compromised here based on the rel vagss we saw out of this? >> hillary clinton's absolutely compromised. from the republican standpoint we have a ton of great women leaders and governors that are coming up in this party. so the idea that we can't criticize hillary without being anti-women, is ridiculous. this is absolutely relevant. it will be relevant in 2016. >> women agree that hillary clinton is a terrible leader, is that it? >> i believe there's a bit of a fantasy world happening here. i also just have to note that it's three guys and me having this conversation. i appreciate being able to speak for all women, i guess. but there is something very powerful about going back to the '90s, which i think tim has just acknowledged is an out of bounds attack. but what is important to really be digging up, if we're going to be digging up, it is about policy. it is about the values that drive policy. and it is about the outcomes that we've seen in the course of over decades -- >> how it is out of bounds? you said that the '90s are out of b

i think if he is the bill clinton from 2008 that is a precarious situation. >> so anna, will bill clinton help or hurt the campaign in 2016? >> first let's admit we don't know, this is a premature conversation. assuming there is, i think there are pros and cons. there is a pro to having a political professional who has a wide and strong fund raising network all over the country. it simimportant if she runs we are not judging her on her last night. we are judging her on her actions and proposals. she has to stand on her own two legs and heels. i was going to say do you want to make a wager on that. if i had i would have been wrong i'm republican, i don't bet unless it is $10,000 darling. >> in case you don't remember, that was mitt romney 2012 you are on fire. >> rand paul is a potential hillary opponent and looking more likely than chris christie. he is already trying to make bill clinton an issue recently calling him a sexual predator from the monica lewinski affair. >> i don't know senator paul at all. if he is willing to take advice stop it. if you are ryou are trying to c bill clinton