bill clinton, two-term president. one could argue that bill clinton was the most effective president of our time. we had a balanced budget and a surplus. we had the nato expansion. democracy was on a roll. but nobody has done a big book on bill clinton because hillary clinton got into the mix and she did not win and now the #metoo movement hertz clinton --hurts clinton. he's really, after hillary clinton lost retired from that. host: i appreciate you getting through the grant commentary. edna green medford, 8 -- caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. this is a great survey is always . the panel is exceptional. my question is in regard to the categories, which categories, if there's any particular one that you find more important for looking at presidents. i want to say today is fourth of july. i have two kids that share birthdays with presidents. calvin coolidge and john quincy adams and we always tell them they have presidential birthday buddies and that's how we are learning, teaching the kids about the

under president bill clinton. we did it with the vietnamese evacuees and 1975. we did it with coast of are all being is when the serbs attack them in 1989. heck, five years after the marching band in the cheerleaders turned up for the vietnamese evacuees, in pennsylvania, that same base, five years later, hosted more than 19,000 cuban evacuees. for the same kind of initial processing. we do this. we do this as a country. we do this in times of international crisis. we do this one we have people to whom we hold a debt of gratitude, because they've helped us. they provided crucial local help to american service members at great risk to themselves. they were then targeted at home because they helped us. those people we owe an explicit debt of gratitude to. in part because we made them a promise that we would keep them safe if they help us. last month, the governor of guam, wrote this letter to president biden. she said quote, the or president biden i right to commend your decision to and our nation's longest war and finally bring home our brave men and women servin

nothing about the policy in bobbed oils republican health care bill that was competing with the clintondemonized doyle. the white house was understandably frustrated that the clinton health care bill was stuck in the predictably slow motion of the senate floor where it would a few weeks later, eventually, die. from that frustration came the message of the day from the white house, demonized oil. i knew there were no more than a couple of democratic senators in that room who might be willing to do that, the rest of them fully respected bob doyle and many of them were proud to call him a friend. the wounded combat veterans in the room shared that special bond with bob doyle, who was severely wounded in world war ii, in combat, in italy. one of the combat veterans in the democratic senators lunch with senator bob kerry of nebraska who lost a leg in vietnam. he said nothing about the demonize bob doyle strategy but as soon as the meeting was over he walked out of the senate floor and as chants nutter moynahan for a time to speak, and when you hear what he had to say that day, consider how f

but in 1996, bill clinton's now president. saddam attacked. and the coalition forces that were protecting the iraqi kurds in that part of northern iraq, they bugged out. they left. and the reasons for that and the consequences of that are dark and complex. and that's a longer story. but in the immediate moment, in 1996 when that happened, the u.s. realized that it had a big short-term, simple, urgent, moral, and strategic catastrophe on their hands. because in the five years since poppy bush's gulf war with the kurds rising up and not getting support from us. and then, the kurds having to flee saddam. and then, the u.s. helping to set up basically, this protectorate for them and that failing, well, over those five years, a lot of things went wrong, and, again, that is a complex and dark tale. but over those five years, a very simple moral imperative came into focus for the american government and the american people. which is that the u.s. had ended up hiring and allying with a lot of individual iraqi kurds. individual iraqi kurds were brought

better in a chaotic world and then at 9pm bestselling author james patterson and former president bill clinton discussed their thriller the president's daughter about the abduction of a former us president's daughter by terrorists. watch american history tv every saturday and book tv every sunday on c-span 2. to commemorate its 60th anniversary and the publication of james hoban designer and builder of the white house the white house historical association paid tribute to the irish immigrant at hobin's washington dc grave site. next on the presidency we hear from among others the irish ambassador to the united states who spoke about his countrymen the white house historical association hosted this event and provided the video. well, good afternoon again, and thank you all for coming on this. thankfully overcast but not rainy day. we appreciate you being here with us. ambassador archbishop president general van buren the grand master of the grand lodge of the district of columbia our dear friends from the royal hibernians or the ancient hibernians hi, my name is stewart mclaurin and i'm the pre

meaning bill clinton. he took trims on the lolita express.tory takes me, get me the tapes. the implication was she knew the tapes existed but she didn't know where he kept them, and i never did get them. it was quite interesting, her comments. jesse: in one of the meeting she tried to get you in bed which you basically dodged. two presidents from epstein's property. that's just what she said. you talked to the mob bosses about the jfk assassination. what did they tell you? >> we just completed a profile of the crime family in tucson. i said who kill kennedy? he said the first thing he did was call down to miami and talk to the head of the mob in florida and said what happened, and he said miami and new orleans which is one by carlos barcello for it. new york is clear. joe found out later -- this is according to what joe banano told me. the hit team took care of the dirty deed from the grassy knoll and they themselves were taken care of. his son later wrote a book where he claimed it was a chicago gangster who fired a shot from a sewer that wa

cheap gains that have accrued due to, including china in to the world trade organization under bill clinton have exhausted themselves. so all the money printing like that water in the bucket is now spilling over as real inflation. but i think the reason this is caught people off guard is that it took 2025 years to fill that bucket. because bringing china on as bill clinton did was really a remarkable situation of putting half a 1000000000 workers making virtual slave labor into this globalized economy that was all hooked up to the internet. and we just had an amazing crash in the logistics prices and delivery prices. and remember was only 2 or 3 years ago we were saying the price of these containers, the baltic dry index. if you recall on this very show 2 years ago, 3 years ago, we would all say, oh my god is setting new crash lows. it's so low, it's low. but now it's all when essentially equalized or normalized. so the money printing is not going to hurt really badly the past 20 years. why? part of the reason why it didn't catch up was that there was a lot of money printing, but it was all

>> well, bill clinton beat out grant which makes sense. grant he defeated the south.a fantastic president. a good man and a thoughtful character who lost out to bill clinton who gave us monica lewinsky, most of his friends died at some point if you crossed him and hillary. what thissiy shows is that our historians are disconnected from true history. instead they fall into this academia trap. if you asked 140 people who were quizzed about what they thought. how many folks are left leaning? >> the survey is like 90% that everybody in academia is far left. >> this survey, it ranks trump in terms of pursuing quality for all lower than several presidents who owned slaves. i don't know if i should take this seriously. the greatest president of all time? >> who? >> calvin coolidge. he said the president is not a great man and he used his position as president to devalue the government. super low taxes. non-intervention. plus he was hot. >> great campaign slogan. >> he might have been the first person to use the phrase cool. >> i just made that up. >> damn you! >> [laughing].

my second favorite president is bill clinton.e also set up some basic structure and he was also one of the presidents who got us out of the surplus of money just like fdr did. host: let's hear from robert. robert joins us from alabama. independent line. caller: president jimmy carter was a real human being. if he was still president there wouldn't all -- there wouldn't be all of this weaponry. barack obama, one of the best presidents that's ever been. in the end was made by condition and a great man and it's a great human being. this country will you better because he was chosen as our president. host: elaine is up next in connecticut. republican line, good morning. caller: donald trump, he got things done, he could make deals and he was for the people he loved america. since biden got in, everything's gone sky high, he is a disaster. they are like living on $45,000 a year, he is a complete disaster. and the water is horrible -- border is horrible and he hasn't been down there. trump at least he keeps on going down there, he's be

and i felt the same dynamic was at play in the bill clinton campaign with vernon jordan and how they equal stature and what that allowed clinton to get from jordan the way he wouldn't from anyone else in the administration himself mth former clinton administration aid and author of first friends, gary ginsburg, talks about the political influence wielded by confidantes and close friends of u.s. presidents. sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q & a. you can listen as a podcast, wherever you get your podcasts. federal reserve chair jerome powell held a news conference yesterday to discuss monetary policy and the economy. he announced they would hold its benchmark interest rate near zero. mr. powell also answered questions on rising inflation, the labor market and the impact of the pandemic on the u.s. economy. >> good afternoon. at the federal reserve we're strongly committed to achieving the monetary policy goals that congress has given us, maximum employment and price stability. today the federal open market committee kept interest rates near zero and maintained our asset purchas

james patterson the former president president bill clinton discuss their new thriller involving the abduction of the daughter of a former president terrorist. find more information at booktv.org or consult your program guide for full schedule information. >> hi, everyone. welcome and good eating. my name is nell pepper and on behalf of harvard book store i am thrilled to introduce this virtual event clint smith presenting his new book, "how the word is passed: a reckoning with the history of slavery across america." which debuted at number one on the near times bestsellers list at tonight using conversation with min jin lee. thank you so much for joining us virtually tonight through virtual events like tonight harvard book store continues to bring authors and the work to our community. every week we host events here are so i can't pick pick this month future events with lin-manuel miranda, stacey abrams, brandon fleming and asked him. check out the event schedule on our website@harvard.com/events and while you're there you can sign up for our e-mail newsletter for more updates. the

bill clinton, two-term president.ould argue that bill clinton was the most effective president of our time. we had a balanced budget and a surplus. we had the nato expansion. democracy was on a roll. but nobody has done a big book on bill clinton because hillary clinton got into the mix and she did not win and now the #metoo movement hertz clinton --hurts clinton. he's really, after hillary clinton lost retired from that. host: i appreciate you getting through the grant commentary. edna green medford, 8 -- caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. this is a great survey is always . the panel is exceptional. my question is in regard to the categories, which categories, if there's any particular one that you find more important for looking at presidents. i want to say today is fourth of july. i have two kids that share birthdays with presidents. calvin coolidge and john quincy adams and we always tell them they have presidential birthday buddies and that's how we are learning, teaching the kids about the presi

looks at slavery's legacy in america then bestselling author james patterson and former president bill clinton discussed their new thriller involving the abduction of the daughter of a former us president by terrorists and later economist. embisa. moyo offers an insiders view on how corporate boards operate find more information at book tv.org or consult your program guide for full schedule information. hi everyone, welcome and good evening. my name is nell pepper and on behalf of harvard bookstore. i am thrilled to introduce this virtual event with clint smith presenting his new book how the word is passed a reckoning with the history of slavery across america. which debuted at number one on the new york times bestseller list and tonight. he is in conversation with min jin lee. thank you so much for joining us virtually tonight through virtual events like tonight's harvard book store continues to bring authors and their work to our community every week. we host events here on our zoom account this month features events with lin-manuel miranda stacy abrams and a conversation with brandon flami

and then at 9:00 p.m., best-selling author james patterson former president bill clinton discussed theiriller the president's daughter about the abduction of a former u.s. president's daughter by terrorists. watch american history tv every saturday and book tv every sunday on cspan2. now book tv from the virginia festival in charlottesville alec mcginnis and amelia on their books about the downside of our global internet driven consumer economy. >> one click america and other honors and he lives in baltimore. amelia author of made in china , a i prisoner sos letter and the hidden cost of america's cheap goods is an award winning journals has written for publications such as mother jones of the new republic covering topics ranging from organic import to the prevalence of sexual violence on native american reservations. she lives near washington d.c. our moderator today, nelson is director of international law clinic at the school of law. research focuses on justice in post- conflict scenarios plan governments and peace building and corporatean accountability for human rights violations. a

my second favorite president is bill clinton. set up some basic structure and he was also one of the presidents who got us out of the surplus of money just like fdr did. host: let's hear from robert. robert joins us from alabama. independent line. caller: president jimmy carter was a real human being. if he was still president there wouldn't all -- there wouldn't be all of this weaponry. barack obama, one of the best presidents that's ever been. in the end was made by condition and a great man and it's a great human being. this country will you better because he was chosen as our president. host: elaine is up next in connecticut. republican line, good morning. caller: donald trump, he got things done, he could make deals and he was for the people he loved america. since biden got in, everything's gone sky high, he is a disaster. they are like living on $45,000 a year, he is a complete disaster. and the water is horrible -- border is horrible and he hasn't been down there. trump at least he keeps on going down there, he's been dow

jordan may have very well saved the clinton marriage between bill and hillary clinton.ouple of people very close to the president and then the president himself. after he admitted to the affair with monica lewinsky both to hillary upstairs in the residence and then to the country, he realized that his marriage was in deep trouble, that the first lady was seriously contemplating leaving him. he asked his best friend, vernon jordan, the man he told me was the only person he trusted to have that conversation and the only person hillary would have listened to as seriously as she did. he dispatched vernon jordan to talk to her. she listened to him, stayed in the marriage and the rest is history. >> there's a darker relationship, friendship between richard nixon and b.b. riboso. some of these names might be a little dated for some of our younger viewers but fascinating in that riboso enabled some of nixon's bad instincts during the thousands of hours that they spent together. this may be a bit more trumpian. i suppose that might resonate with those who lived through the trump

without vernon we may not have had a bill clinton as president. lost his re-election for governor in 1980, he was really distraught. he called around to friends trying to get some sense of comfort, couldn't get it. vernon was watching from new york. he had become friends with clinton years earlier. he calls uphillry and says, you got any grits down there? because i'm going to come down and talk to you guys because he knew how upset bill was and how upset, in fact, how he was thinking about leaving politics for good as a result. he goes down to ark about and spends three hours in the kitchen of the clinton new house after they moved out of the mansion and he spoke really tough words to clinton. he said, get over it. you got too much talent to be giving this all up. clinton listened. and two years later, he was taking the oath of office as arkansas governor in the beginning of 1983. >> that's a book title if i ever heard one. i hope you have grits down there. and then that leads to all this. that's not all that vernon jordan did. he was also a confi

might surprise people as a conservative i think we should find disgusting was the repeal when bill clintont out of his way to pander to the financial services lobby that lent cheap money on the blurring of lines to commercial banking and investment banking and finally trying to enter into the world trade organization in 2001 in all four of those things i believe was the conservative movement where the people in charge chasing momentary pleasure and not preserving the good with no commitment to permanence or trying to pass something that has worked that is moral and beautiful to my generation. >> tucker: ready think this is going? >> i try not to be solely in the predictive business. i can tell you where i think it's going. here's the question -- i don't think anyone has really set it like this. with 2016, a tremor and earthquake are in aftershock meaning was it something before something when donald trump got elected? was an earthquake which was obviously called or was it in aftershock? i think it's a tremor. i think what we are living through is a 10-year long tremor of something that's a

after words", lease offers an insider's view on how corporate boards operate and former president bill clinton and best-selling author jay james patterson discussed their most thrillerthe president's daughter . find the most recent book or visit booktv.org. now look atslavery's legacy and how it impacted our history . >> welcome and good evening. my name is mel pepper and on behalf of harvard bookstore i am thrilled to introduce this virtual event with clint smith presenting his new book "how the word is passed: a reckoning with the history of slavery across america" . which debuted at number one on the new yk

bill clinton in monica's dress.looks lovely in it, it suits him better than anything else he has worn. meanwhile "the daily beast" has new details of the painstaking plans that went into the most insurrection only insurrection all insurrection ever, normally we use the fox news alert staying to bring you this headline, but in the entire history of music there are no notes and chords dramatic enough to convey the full horror of this breaking news. "right leader had fully constructed u.s. capital lego set at home, fbi says, dozens of cracked g-man from the fbi defended on the home of the pennsylvania man robert moss, 27, plotting the insurrection and leave with donald j. trump, robert e. lee and others and discovered as exhibit a in the forthcoming show trial that he had a fully finished lego set of the capitol building. here it is. by the way, anyone 12 or older, 27 in the case of mr. moss can go online and by the lego set. you don't need a government permit or anything, they were stunned to find this lego model of t

the whole story, the odd couple of he and bill clinton. he went back to -- when he was shot dead turkey picky rs of millions of dollars for disaster relief. and then there was just funny stories, like when he called the prince to ask him if he was dead or alive. that was that i knew knew i had to write a book. so i started writing the book just because i thought the american people need to know the heart and sol of this amazing man. and in the middle of writing the book it occurred to me that there was something a lot more important at work here, pouring out of my heart onto my computer, talking about him. president bush really left us a blueprint on now to live life. you know, when someone dies and often will say it was a life well lived? if you want that to be said about you when you die, you need to read this book because president bush taught us now to live life. >> i mean he did. jumping out of airplanes, perfectly good. love the story, mrs. bush said it was a great way to go, one way or another. >> and she was glad because on his 90t

former president bill clinton and best-selling author james patterson discuss their most recent thrillernd a full schedule on your program guide or visit book tv.org. now, atlantic staff writer clint smith looks at slavery's legacy in america and how it has affected our history. host: hi, everyone. welcome and good evening. on behalf of harvard bookstore, i am thrilled to introduce this virtual event with clint

and paul bledsoe, a former member of the task force under bill clinton. >> senator hurtado, we'll start months it was going to happen. it's going to increase. there will be additional communities without water here in the central valley. >> you say this is just the beginning. this past june was the hottest on record. we don't have to look too far for the last time it was shattered. that was only 2016. tell us about the bill and what it will do. >> yes. in the beginning of 2019 and this year, i reintroduced the state water resiliency act. it's looking to invest $785 million on four water convey yans projects that have been neglected for a long time and they're very critical in terms of providing water for 31 million californians, but especially to californians in the central valley who are running out of water. the canal actually feeds water to the basin that the community relies upon, and it's right at the pinch point. >> wow. >> well, paul, i want you to talk big picture on all of this. there are a lot of people saying, see, this is a sign of climate change, it's an obvious sign of cli

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of penguin random house and i am honored to be monitoring the event with two authors, president bill clintonnd author james patterson, discussing their brand-new thriller which was published this week. we are going to invite president clinton and mr. patterson on screen, and then we will kick off our discussion. president clinton, mr. patterson, thank you so much for letting me join you. i am so looking forward to discussing "the president's daughter" with you both. james: we are ready. pres. clinton: glad to be here. abby: i was hoping to start at the beginning. this is the second thriller you guys have written together, and probably other readers are curious to know, how did this partnership come about? james: tell them how it happened. it is your fault. pres. clinton: we have an agent in common, bob barnett, and he knew that he had handled three or four books from me, but they were all nonfiction. you knew that i was a voracious reader of mysteries and thrillers, and that i was particularly attached to jim's alex cross and michael bennet books. he said, you guys ought to do this together

at 9 pm, bestselling author james patterson, warmer president bill clinton discuss their thriller the president's daughter about the abduction of a former u.s. presidents daughter by terrorists. watch american history tv on saturday, and book tv on c-span two. up next on american history tv, we hear about the white house grounds and gardens from the author of the book a garden for the president. a history of the white house grounds. [applause] >> good morning. my name [applause] is doctor matthew costello, an incident director of the david m. rubenstein national center four white house history. it is a privilege to be with you this morning. also to see all the pieces come together. it's truly a privilege introduce our first speaker who is a fellow wisconsin i'd like myself. our first speaker this morning will be jonathan pliska, noted landscape historian and author of the award-winning white house historical association publication. a garden for the president, history of the white house grounds. jonathan will be signing copies of this book later in the day during the reception in the

i saw the same dynamic in the bill clinton campaign with vernon jordan, and how they were of equal staturewed clinton to get from jordan, in a way he could not get from anyone else you worked on the campaign and in the administration himself. >> former clinton administration aide, and author of first friends, gary ginsberg, talks about political influence wielded by confidantes and friends of u.s. presidents, sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span q&a. you can also listen to una as a podcast wherever you get your podcasts. ♪ >> next, a discussion on infrastructure investment in the developing world. panelists talk about the challenges and opportunities of global infrastructure development projects. they will also discuss the g-7 global infrastructure initiative known as the build back better , world. the center for strategic and international studies (csis) hosts this one-hour event. >> good day, everyone. my name is matthew goodman.

but, moving from 30 to 50 is possible. >> bob doyle actually finished nine points behind bill clintonday night at this hour. jonathan kaye part will be live with all of the texas democrats in washington d.c., all the texas democrats in one room for an msnbc special presentation, battleground democracy, the texas democrats, that is monday at 10 pm eastern, right here on msnbc. that is tonight's last word, the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. good evening, i'm stephanie role in for brian williams who has the night off. it is day 177 in the biden administration and tonight, they are brand new explosive revelations about the last race of the trump presidency and the chaos of january 6th. they're from the new book, i alone can fix said, by pulitzer prize-winning and washington post reporters they write that after seeing the riot unfold, trump's white house counsel, trump could be brought up on charges. the afternoon of january six, it started dawning on the white house counsel and his deputies that trump could conceivably be charged with a crime for setting off the deadly riot. th

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the opposition to bill clinton when he was elected in 1992, over the next eight years, you had a positive view of republicans toward his administration. it reached proportions we had never seen before. during the next debate with george w. bush, you saw the exactly same thing happened the other way around, where the level of animosity among republicans. it keeps building and building from that point on. so that now you have got the vast majority of voters that are just voting straight ticket voting, all republican, all democrat. now we are in a parliamentary system for the most part. i think it is remarkable that in 2016 every single u.s. senate race was won by a candidate of the same party that carried that race. every single one. then in november, it was all but one. 34 out of 35, with one exception. 96% of all members of the house represent districts that their party carries. so we are going one way or the other. if it is a between party vote, then one vote or the other side is taken as a mandate. but i think it is the culmination of escalating waves of partisanship that sort of hits t

's not just guitars, bill clinton's saxophone is up for grabs, the one he played at his inauguration.are the doors, the famous chelsea hotel. the auction will be online between july 14 and july 15. get your beats in now. i am laura chevalier. th narrator: funding for this presentation of this program is provided by... narrator: financial rvices firm, raymond james. narrator: funding was also provided by, the freeman foundation. by judy and peter bl kovler foundation; pursuing solutions for america's neglected needs. and by contributions to this pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. ♪ ♪ narrator: you're watching pbs. ♪ da-da-da-duh-da-da-da♪ ♪ da-da-da-da-da-da ♪♪ ♪ judy: good evening, i'm judy woodruff. on the news however tonight, assassinated. the president of haiti killed at his home as the country's already unstable political situation descends further into turmoil. then, one step closer, we speak with eric ams after his win in the democratic primary for mayor of new york city, making him the heavy favorite to assume the job. and leaving afghanistan. the absence of u.s. tr

but moving from 30 to 50 is possible. >> bob dole actually finished nine points behind bill clinton.hart will be live with all, all of the texas democrats in washington, d.c., all the texas democrats in for a special presentation, that's monday at 10:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. that is tonight's last word. "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. ♪♪ >>> good evening. i'm stephanie ruhle in for brian williams who has the night off. it is day 177 in the biden administration and tonight there are brand-new explosive revelations about the last days of the trump presidency and the chaos of january 6th. they are from the new book "i alone can

better in a chaotic world and then at 9pm bestselling author james patterson and former president bill clinton discussed their thriller the president's daughter about the abduction of a former us president's daughter by terrorists. watch american history tv every saturday and book tv every sunday on c-span 2. up next on the presidency. we revisit first lady jackie kennedy's televised white house tour from 1962 and her extensive white house restoration of the executive mansion this 2012 presentation at the john f kennedy presidential library museum marked the 50th anniversary of her televised tour, which was watched by millions and later awarded an honorary emmy. this video was was courtesy of the kennedy library. good evening and welcome everyone. i'm tom putnam director of the john f kennedy presidential library and museum and on behalf of atomic knott executive director of the kennedy library foundation members of our foundations board of directors and all of my library and foundation colleagues. i thank you for joining us this evening. let me first acknowledge the generous underwriters of t

moderating tonight's virtual event with two authors who really need no introduction president bill clinton and james patterson tonight. we'll be discussing their brand new thriller. the president's daughter, which was just published this week. we're going to invite president clinton and mr. patterson on screen here and then we will kick off our discussion. president clinton mr. patterson, thank you so much for letting me join you this evening. i am so looking forward to discussing the president's daughter with you both. already, i'm glad to be here. all right. well, i thought to kick things off. i would love to start at the very beginning. this is actually the second thriller that you two have written together, and i know myself and probably many other readers out. there are so curious to know. how did this partnership come about? tell them. tell him how it happened. it's your fault. well, we have an agent in common bob barnett. and he knew he'd handled. three or four books for me, but they were all nonfiction and he knew that. i was a voracious. reader of mysteries and thrillers and that

>> well, i say that in part because of what happened right after bill clinton lost his re-election fornor of arkansas in 1980. he was distraught. he was lost, and he started to seriously entertain the idea of working outside of politics, taking jobs in the private sector or leaving arkansas altogether. vernon jordan calls actually hillary and says, i'm coming down, make me some grits and i've got to do a little talking to bill. he flies down a couple of weeks later and over a two and a half hour really hard, difficult conversation, he convinces clinton to stay in the game. and two years later, bill clinton is reinaugurated as arkansas's governor. >> do we know if those grits were ever made for him? >> they were. hillary told me that she had to go to a store and buy instant grits. that probably didn't satisfy -- >> that would be my m.o., as well. interesting little tidbits there. i also found this really fascinating. so about former president harry truman you write, quote, truman would become known for his endless contradiction, someone with deep-seated insecurities, yet outsized ambiti